[meteorite-list] Self Proclaimed Pairing List

From: JKGwilliam <h3chondrite_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri Nov 12 10:40:03 2004
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20041112081416.0268e790_at_pop.west.cox.net>

Good Morning Adam, Roman and List,

Roman makes a very valid point here. It would be nice to know who among us
is intentionally pulling a 'bait and switch' with Amgala. Unfortunately,
for someone to make such an allegation public can result in legal problems.

Adam, since you have publicly declared you are aware of this problem, don't
you now have a responsibility to correct it? You have encouraged all list
members to step up to the challenge of fixing the NWA self proclaimed
pairing issue and I applaud the effort you have made. You and Greg have a
right to protect your investment you have made in getting NWA meteorites
properly classified and then onto the market. Doesn't the same rule apply
to Amgala? Don't other meteorite collectors/investors have a right to
protect their investments? I'd hate to think that a bunch of Zag ends up
in collections labeled as Amgalas with no way of sorting out the problem
after the fact.

I don't know how the Amgala/Zag issue can be resolved properly. My guess
is it would end up being one persons word against anothers. But since you
have already "quietly dropped a loud hint", the ball is in your
court. Don't take this as a personal attack, I consider you a friend and
in no way am I trying to offend or provoke you. I'm merely saying that if
your goal is to clean up the problems in our meteorite community, let's fix
the Amgala problem too.

Best,

John Gwilliam

At 06:53 AM 11/12/2004, Roman Jirasek wrote:
> > Amgala*
> > Cleaned Zag being substituted, only one well known dealer still at fault.
>
>Hi Adam, are you at liberty to let us know who this dealer is?
>I think the collecting community needs to know. I would hate
>to see a collector buy a Zag thinking it was a fresh new fall.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Roman Jirasek
>www.meteoritelabels.com
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
>To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 11:45 PM
>Subject: [meteorite-list] Self Proclaimed Pairing List
>
>
> > Dear List,
> >
> > While studying the problems associated with number borrowing I came up
>with
> > a list of the most abused names. I see there have been some improvements
> > lately in this area such as web sites have been changed, some are using
>the
> > term suspected pairing and others are submitting suspected pairings to
> > laboratories. This is good news and will help improve collector
>confidence.
> > If every dealer did his/her best to follow the rules set forth by the
> > NomCom, meteorite collecting could evolve to the next plateau. Here are a
> > few examples that could stand some improvement:
> >
> >
> > Amgala*
> > Cleaned Zag being substituted, only one well known dealer still at fault.
> >
> > NWA 1109*
> > Still being sold as a Howardite - Name borrowed heavily - Self proclaimed
> > pairings
> >
> > NWA 1068
> > Self proclaimed pairings
> >
> > NWA 1110*
> > Mass self proclaimed pairings
> >
> > NWA 1877*
> > Self proclaimed pairings
> >
> > NWA 1817*
> > Self proclaimed pairings
> >
> > NWA 1827
> > Self proclaimed pairings
> >
> > NWA 1878*
> > Self proclaimed pairings
> >
> > NWA 1929
> > Mass self proclaimed pairings
> >
> > NWA 3118*
> > Mass self proclaimed pairings
> >
> > NWA 3140*
> > Mass self proclaimed pairings
> >
> > * Studies paid for by The Hupe Collection
> >
> > As you can see by the number of asterisks we have a large investment in
>the
> > above listed meteorites. This is why we take exception to anybody using
> > these numbers that has not made their material official. We spend
>thousands
> > every month on the study of NWA material and do not depend on grant money.
> > This money comes directly out of our pockets. I hope a month from now
>this
> > list is shorter. I will become more specific if needed in the future.
>Now
> > lets have some fun doing the right thing.
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> > Adam Hupe
> > The Hupe Collection
> > Team LunarRock
> > IMCA 2185
> > raremeteorites_at_comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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