[meteorite-list] Ad Ebay meteorites

From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Nov 4 01:50:20 2004
Message-ID: <03cc01c4c238$d3c24d60$6401a8c0_at_c1720188a>

Hi Again,

To be fair, I believe Mike does his best to get a unique number for each
piece he brings back. My biggest complaint is those who do not care to make
their pieces official by submitting type specimens to NomCom authorized
laboratories and then have the nerve to borrow numbers at will. Several
dealers have been fooled by material that was sold by Moroccans making their
own pairing judgements just to find out it was something completely
different. Most will not admit this but we have been fooled a couple of
times ourselves as laboratory testing later proved. This demonstrates the
importance of making pieces official.

In every collectibles market there are groups that authenticate and rate the
goods. With baseball cards it is either PSA or BGS. A baseball card may be
worth $1,200.00 but not before being rated by a recognized non-biased
authority. A card that has not been rated is worth on the average 15 cents.
The same card rated by BGS scoring a 9.5 could be worth thousands of times
more. The same applies for coins. If dealers were allowed to rate their
own coins without having them blocked the standards would soon disappear and
consumer confidence would disappear with it.

I think a studied, NomCom approved and named meteorite should be more
appreciated than one that is not. The borrowing of NWA numbers has been
abused to the point where there is little incentive to collect meteorites
anymore, just look at market! Where is the consumer confidence?

Steps are already in play to improve the situation. Expect a formal
statement from a well regarded authority soon.

Wishing everybody the best,

Adam






----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
To: "Michael Farmer" <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay meteorites


> Hi Mike,
>
> You are the one who provided us with NWA 801 from expedition number 5. Do
> you recall I purchased a big chunk from Jim Strope's share at $100.00 a
gram
> because I thought it represented a Main Mass. Also do you recall the fake
> strewn-field that was planted in Zagora? NWA1929 was revised because the
> three largest stones were left behind and not reported, all from the same
> batch. NAU was provided a type sample of each piece that was left behind
> and an accurate TKW was reported while under provisional status.
>
> Adam
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
> To: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>; "Comcast Mail"
> <bobe5531_at_comcast.net>
> Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay meteorites
>
>
> > Again, if that is to be the case, then I want EVERYONE to immediately
STOP
> > using my number, NWA 801, and NWA 1929, and others.
> > Those are my numbers for specific pieces, and suddenly there are
hundreds
> of
> > pieces of NWA 1929 on eBay and at shows, many uncut, and I would like to
> > know how people think they are paired with my meteorite?
> > Michael Farmer
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
> > To: "Comcast Mail" <bobe5531_at_comcast.net>
> > Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 7:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay meteorites
> >
> >
> > > Hey Bob,
> > >
> > > I thought everybody agreed to abide by the NomCom rules regarding the
> use
> > > of
> > > NWA numbers. What you have is not NWA 1110 or NWA 1877. Why don't
you
> > > use
> > > statements such as:
> > >
> > > I suspect my untested and unofficial material may be paired to NWA
1068
> or
> > > NWA 1877 because a Moroccan dealer named Habibi told me so.
> > >
> > > and...
> > >
> > > I borrowed some of my descriptions against ebay rules from the Hupes
> > > without
> > > their consent.
> > >
> > > I do not want to get into any more arguments because Jeff Grossman has
> > > made
> > > the rules clear regarding the use of NWA numbers. Most everybody else
> has
> > > changed their descriptions on websites, at shows and auctions to
reflect
> > > their newly found understanding of these rules.
> > >
> > > Let this serve as a final warning and then I will post the names,
> > > addresses,
> > > phone numbers and transgressions of anybody who improperly uses NWA
> > > numbers
> > > without paperwork of material we were responsible for making official
on
> a
> > > legally protected website called 'TheMeteoriteSite.com", still under
> > > construction. The lack of respect for NomCom rules only serves to
> > > undermine
> > > consumer confidence.
> > >
> > > When bad checks were received at one of our retail stores we used to
> > > enlarge
> > > it to the size of a poster and paste it on the storefront window so
that
> > > over a 100,000 motorists could view it every day as they passed by.
> > > Needless to say, the writers of the bad checks paid up and
> > > less-than-honest
> > > shoppers never tried to pass bad checks on us again.
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > > Adam Hupe
> > > The Hupe Collection
> > > Team LunarRock
> > > IMCA 2185
> > > raremeteorites_at_comcast.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Comcast Mail" <bobe5531_at_comcast.net>
> > > To: "Meteorite list" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 6:25 PM
> > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay meteorites
> > >
> > >
> > >> Hello fellow collectors,
> > >>
> > >> I have a few meteorites up for auction . A large diogenite fragment ,
a
> > >> martian sample currently at $ 1.00 ending tomorrow.
> > >>
> > >> See folowing link and click on sellers other items :
> > >>
> > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2281962639
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
> > >> Bob Evans
> > >>
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