[meteorite-list] 'Rites & Wrong Cartoon (2), and Mike Farmer's Park Forest
From: MARK BOSTICK <thebigcollector_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:32:56 2004 Message-ID: <BAY4-DAV132yL4l4VsA00000983_at_hotmail.com> ------=_NextPart_001_0059_01C415AA.DE9D9770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Janet's complete response: "It would not matter where the cartoon were t= o be set, LA or Park Forest... having African-Americans depicted in such = a manner is racist. Such thefts did not occur in Park Forest and I resen= t the implication that they did. Not all humor is based on deprication = of certain groups. By the way, if anyone in Park Forest hunts, other tha= n for meteorites, it would have to be outside the Village. No, I really = don't care to engage in a continuing conversation on this subject nor to = give it more attention that it is due. Janet Muchnik" Hello again Janet and list, "It would not matter where the cartoon were to be set, LA or Park Forest.= . having African-Americans depicted in such a manner is racist." If you would do me the justice of not referencing to images not on the co= mic this would be easier, please look at the comic again, there are no pl= ural African-Americans. AND it also has a Caucasian person holding the g= un. So in my opinion, if a person wanted to get analytical the Caucasian= is the person doing the more wrong, and in Kansas he is breaking three l= aws in his auction while the other person is breaking only one law...I do= not know your state or city laws so it might be different there. It eas= ier to scream racism and African-American, but perhaps you would get more= support by declaring me a human hater in general. If a person sees racist in the comic then perhaps he or she should look i= nward. An example of what I mean here is that statistics prove that most= people who cheap on their spouses, believe their spouse is cheating. Pe= rsonally, I think the person picking the hunters pocket could be from a n= umber of places, such as Jamaica, Mali or Kenya. Race was never discusse= d during the drafting of the comic and only one eyed critics like yoursel= f have added notations to race...not counting my replies to these e-mails= of course. "Not all humor is based on deprication (sic) of certain groups." =20 If you mean the deprivation of certain groups, I would completely agree, = and if you read the reference I sent you, on the philosophy of comics, it= would agree with you also. I might note that most philosophers think th= at comics by nature, is a degrading art form. Either of the subjects sho= wn or the author of the comic. Basically, in a comic you are making fun = of yourself or something. Early philosophers thought comics only made fu= n of the author. If this subject interest you further, I can look up ref= erence relating to this...it is likely the most debated subject historica= lly in the philosophy of comics. That of who is being degrading, the sub= ject, the artist or the viewer. =20 "By the way, if anyone in Park Forest hunts, other than for meteorites, i= t would have to be outside the Village." Note to Meteorite Central list: No hunting meteorites inside the Village= =20 We will not ask what people might be hunting for inside the Village. "No, I really don't care to engage in a continuing conversation on this s= ubject nor to give it more attention that it is due." Fair enough, I have offered you a free forum, which is MUCH more then I n= eed to do. Unless you have some new thoughts to this I will consider thi= s manner closed. So with that I will end with the following, in your last e-mail to me you= r wrote: "The people who collected meteorites were able to sell them to dealers, i= f they so desired, or to a consortium of museums." Perhaps you might explain to us why Farmer had to give back a good share = of a meteorite, he paid $1000's for, for free in other to avoid a lawsui= t. In case this slips your memory, here is the quote your gave to the ne= wspaper. "I've got a contract with them for the other one, and I would imagine thi= s one will just go into the same contract," she said. "It's a much smalle= r piece, but it's a very dramatic piece because half is white and half is= black." =20 Mark Bostick ------=_NextPart_001_0059_01C415AA.DE9D9770 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV> <DIV><FONT fa= ce=3D"Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif">Janet's complete response: "It wou= ld not matter where the cartoon were to be set, LA or Park Forest... havi= ng African-Americans depicted in such a manner is racist. Such thef= ts did not occur in Park Forest and I resent the implication that they di= d. Not all humor is based on deprication of certain groups. &= nbsp;By the way, if anyone in Park Forest hunts, other than for meteorite= s, it would have to be outside the Village. No, I really don't care= to engage in a continuing conversation on this subject nor to give it mo= re attention that it is due. Janet Muchnik"</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT= face=3D"Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D= Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif">H= ello again Janet and list,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Geneva, Arial,= Sans-serif"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Geneva, Arial, Sans-s= erif">"It would not matter where the cartoon were to be set, LA or Park F= orest... having African-Americans depicted in such a manner is racist."</= FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif"></FONT> </= DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif">If you would do me the= justice of not referencing to images not on the comic this would be= easier, please look at the comic again, there are no plural African= -Americans. AND it also has a Caucasian person holding the gun.&nbs= p; So in my opinion, if a person wanted to get analytical the Caucasian i= s the person doing the more wrong, and in Kansas he is breaking three law= s in his auction while the other person is breaking only one law...I do n= ot know your state or city laws so it might be different there. = ; It easier to scream racism and African-American, but perhaps you would = get more support by declaring me a human hater in general.</FONT></DIV> <= DIV><FONT face=3D"Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FO= NT face=3D"Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif">If a person sees racist in the comi= c then perhaps he or she should look inward. An example of what I m= ean here is that statistics prove that most people who cheap on thei= r spouses, believe their spouse is cheating. Personally, I think th= e person picking the hunters pocket could be from a number of places, suc= h as Jamaica, Mali or Kenya. Race was never discussed during the dr= afting of the comic and only one eyed critics like yourself have added no= tations to race...not counting my replies to these e-mails of course.</FO= NT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif"></FONT> </DI= V> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif">"Not all humor is based = on deprication (sic) of certain groups." </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT f= ace=3D"Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"= Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif">If you mean the deprivation of certain groups,= I would completely agree, and if you read the reference I sent you, on&n= bsp;the philosophy of comics, it would agree with you also. I = might note that most philosophers think that comics by nature, is&nb= sp;a degrading art form. Either of the subjects shown or the author= of the comic. Basically, in a comic you are making fun of yourself= or something. Early philosophers thought comics only made fun of t= he author. If this subject interest you further, I can look up refe= rence relating to this...it is likely the most debated subject historical= ly in the philosophy of comics. That of who is being degrading, the= subject, the artist or the viewer. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D= "Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Geneva= , Arial, Sans-serif">"By the way, if anyone in Park Forest hunts, other t= han for meteorites, it would have to be outside the Village."</FONT></DIV= > <DIV><FONT face=3D"Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>= <FONT face=3D"Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif">Note to Meteorite Central list:&= nbsp; No hunting meteorites inside the Village. </FONT></DIV> <DIV>= <FONT face=3D"Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT f= ace=3D"Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif">We will not ask what people might be hu= nting for inside the Village.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Geneva, Ari= al, Sans-serif"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Geneva, Arial, San= s-serif">"No, I really don't care to engage in a continuing conversation = on this subject nor to give it more attention that it is due."</FONT></DI= V> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV= ><FONT face=3D"Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif">Fair enough, I have offered you= a free forum, which is MUCH more then I need to do. Unless you hav= e some new thoughts to this I will consider this manner closed.</FONT></D= IV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif"></FONT> </DIV> <DI= V><FONT face=3D"Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif">So with that I will end with t= he following, in your last e-mail to me your wrote:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FO= NT face=3D"Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face= =3D"Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif">"The people who collected meteorites were = able to sell them to dealers, if they so desired, or to a consortium of m= useums."</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif"></FON= T> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif">Perhaps you = might explain to us why Farmer had to give back a good share of= a meteorite, he paid $1000's for, for free in other to avoid a law= suit. In case this slips your memory, here is the quote your gave t= o the newspaper.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Geneva, Arial, Sans-seri= f"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif">"I'v= e got a contract with them for the other one, and I would imagine this on= e will just go into the same contract," she said. "It's a much smaller pi= ece, but it's a very dramatic piece because half is white and half is bla= ck." </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif"></FONT>&= nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif">Mark Bostick</F= ONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_001_0059_01C415AA.DE9D9770-- Received on Mon 29 Mar 2004 05:28:29 PM PST |
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