[meteorite-list] Amgala versus Zag

From: Michael Farmer <meteoritehunter_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:32:50 2004
Message-ID: <00ff01c40a2b$7ca1b360$0200a8c0_at_S0031628003>

So Adam, you love to do that, say things without saying specific names. Yet
you whined about other dealers selling meteorites before they were
classified. I wonder who else was selling Amgala? I can't think of anyone
but you and myself, so
I wonder who you might have meant, I nor any of the other people on this
list are idiots (well, perhaps a couple). Are you saying that you actually
were implying someone else who sold Amgala?
If you are going to say something Adam, say it, don't try to hide behind coy
phrases that are clear as glass then try to deny it.
I like people who have the cajones to say what they mean, not who try to
play things off then deny it.
You are right about one thing, the Amgala discussion was great, till you
brought me up. You had to whine a little more about everyone who doesn't do
business to your liking.
Leave me out of your emails and I will have no need to respond to you. It
really is simple.
Mike Farmer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Hupe" <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>
To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Cc: "Michael Farmer" <farmerm_at_concentric.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Amgala versus Zag


> Mike,
>
> We were having some intelligent discussions regarding the new fall and
your
> name was not mentioned once. As a matter of fact I used Park forest as an
> example not to arouse your defensive nature. Mike, why don't you leave
> things alone or add something constructive to a topic instead of blasting
> everybody around you. You are not the narrator of this List and you have
no
> idea what I am thinking so please do not interject with your emotional
> garbage. The List belongs to everybody and is not here for your personal
> agenda or attacks.
>
> So please leave things alone if you do not have anything constructive to
> say.
>
> All the best,
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
> To: "Adam Hupe" <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>; <j.divelbiss@att.net>
> Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 2:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Amgala versus Zag
>
>
> > Give us a break Adam, you can't stop taking hits can you?
> > It is nice to know that you are the meteorite gods, the begin all and
end
> > all of meteorites. Why might I ask is it a problem that collectors can
buy
> > something before it is calssified?
> > Why dont you just come out and say that you are pissed that you didnt
make
> > ALL the money on this.
> > That is the root of the problem.
> > Mike Farmer
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Adam Hupe" <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>
> > To: <j.divelbiss_at_att.net>
> > Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 12:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Amgala versus Zag
> >
> >
> > > Hi John,
> > >
> > > It will be interesting to see the lab results. I wish we would have
had
> > > more time to prepare for the release of this new material but mounting
> > costs
> > > and competition forced us to put it on the market prematurely in order
> to
> > > protect our considerable investment. As was the case for Park Forest
> and
> > a
> > > few other falls dealers sometimes do not wait for classifications
before
> > > making material available.
> > >
> > > All the best
> > >
> > > Adam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <j.divelbiss_at_att.net>
> > > To: "Adam Hupe" <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>
> > > Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 10:59 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Amgala versus Zag
> > >
> > >
> > > > Adam,
> > > >
> > > > Thanx for the update and supporting information for the cost basis.
As
> I
> > > said, this fall sure
> > > > looks a lot like Zag to me in many ways. I did some more visual
> > > comparisons and of course my
> > > > untrained eye cannot see these differences when looking at just one
> one
> > > stone's(less than 20
> > > > grams) cut face. I am not implying they are the same
meteorite...just
> > that
> > > they look similar.
> > > >
> > > > As for polymict versus regolith breccia...can these two terms be
> > > interchangeable? A polymict
> > > > breccia is made up of clasts/fragments of different materials
probably
> > > caused by a impact
> > > > mixing, while a regolith breccia implies a breccia formed at the
> surface
> > > with a mixture of
> > > > different materials caused by impacts. A regolith breccia might be
> > > considered a special type of
> > > > polymict breccia.
> > > >
> > > > As for type 3 chondrules...well I see a few chondrules that look
> almost
> > > perfect to me...but
> > > > only a couple. What do I know anyway???
> > > >
> > > > It should be interesting to see how this material is classified
> out...in
> > > comparison to Zag.
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > > > Hello All,
> > > > >
> > > > > At first glance Amgala is somewhat similar looking to Zag although
> > there
> > > are
> > > > > noticeable differences between the two. I do not believe Amgala
is
> > > going to
> > > > > classify as a regolith breccia but rather a polymict breccia.
> Unlike
> > > Zag,
> > > > > no type 3 areas have been identified. Two laboratories are
> currently
> > > > > studying Amgala and neither one has observed water bearing
minerals
> > but
> > > some
> > > > > interesting clasts have been found which we will report on later.
> > > Another
> > > > > party suggested halite because ~10% of the most recently collected
> > > broken
> > > > > stones show some oxidation on the exposed surfaces. This
oxidation
> is
> > > very
> > > > > minor and could be removed easily with an air abrasion tool but we
> > chose
> > > not
> > > > > to in order to preserve these stones in as found condition.
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as the price dropping into the $5.00 to $7.00 a gram range
it
> > is
> > > very
> > > > > doubtful because there is less than 12 kilograms TKW and a good
> > portion
> > > has
> > > > > already been sold to collectors for between $7.50 a gram for
> fragments
> > > and
> > > > > $12.00 a gram for fully crusted specimens. The seventh and final
> trip
> > > to
> > > > > the area by the Moroccan half of Team LunarRock only produced five
> > > stones
> > > > > making it less than cost effective to return to the region. All
> > > indications
> > > > > are that this is a very small fall with precious little more
> material
> > > coming
> > > > > out. After all, nomads avoid this area and soldiers have been
> > > methodically
> > > > > searching it for months now. Only the soldiers know which areas
are
> > > safe
> > > > > and which are not and they are done searching because of the lack
of
> > new
> > > > > finds associated with this fall.
> > > > >
> > > > > We rang up a tremendous amount of expenses pursuing this fall
> > including
> > > > > communication, transportation, specimen purchases, sample
material,
> > > > > supplies, shipping and lab fee costs. 26% of the recovered stones
> we
> > > paid
> > > > > the high field price for turned out to be a black chondrite not
> > related
> > > to
> > > > > this fall. This increased our acquisition costs by nearly the
same
> > > > > percentage. Pursuing Amgala was an expensive undertaking. Was it
> > worth
> > > it?
> > > > > Yes, this is some very handsome material with the nicest jet-black
> > > velvety
> > > > > crust I have seen not to mention the contrast provided by the
> polymict
> > > > > breccia texture.
> > > > >
> > > > > We will update as lab results come in which promise to be
> interesting.
> > > > >
> > > > > All the best,
> > > > >
> > > > > Adam
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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