[meteorite-list] Amgala versus Zag

From: Adam Hupe <adamhupe_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:32:49 2004
Message-ID: <03fb01c40a1a$b6049e80$62f61018_at_attbi.com>

Mike,

We were having some intelligent discussions regarding the new fall and your
name was not mentioned once. As a matter of fact I used Park forest as an
example not to arouse your defensive nature. Mike, why don't you leave
things alone or add something constructive to a topic instead of blasting
everybody around you. You are not the narrator of this List and you have no
idea what I am thinking so please do not interject with your emotional
garbage. The List belongs to everybody and is not here for your personal
agenda or attacks.

So please leave things alone if you do not have anything constructive to
say.

All the best,

Adam




----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
To: "Adam Hupe" <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>; <j.divelbiss@att.net>
Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Amgala versus Zag


> Give us a break Adam, you can't stop taking hits can you?
> It is nice to know that you are the meteorite gods, the begin all and end
> all of meteorites. Why might I ask is it a problem that collectors can buy
> something before it is calssified?
> Why dont you just come out and say that you are pissed that you didnt make
> ALL the money on this.
> That is the root of the problem.
> Mike Farmer
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Hupe" <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>
> To: <j.divelbiss_at_att.net>
> Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 12:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Amgala versus Zag
>
>
> > Hi John,
> >
> > It will be interesting to see the lab results. I wish we would have had
> > more time to prepare for the release of this new material but mounting
> costs
> > and competition forced us to put it on the market prematurely in order
to
> > protect our considerable investment. As was the case for Park Forest
and
> a
> > few other falls dealers sometimes do not wait for classifications before
> > making material available.
> >
> > All the best
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <j.divelbiss_at_att.net>
> > To: "Adam Hupe" <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>
> > Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 10:59 AM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Amgala versus Zag
> >
> >
> > > Adam,
> > >
> > > Thanx for the update and supporting information for the cost basis. As
I
> > said, this fall sure
> > > looks a lot like Zag to me in many ways. I did some more visual
> > comparisons and of course my
> > > untrained eye cannot see these differences when looking at just one
one
> > stone's(less than 20
> > > grams) cut face. I am not implying they are the same meteorite...just
> that
> > they look similar.
> > >
> > > As for polymict versus regolith breccia...can these two terms be
> > interchangeable? A polymict
> > > breccia is made up of clasts/fragments of different materials probably
> > caused by a impact
> > > mixing, while a regolith breccia implies a breccia formed at the
surface
> > with a mixture of
> > > different materials caused by impacts. A regolith breccia might be
> > considered a special type of
> > > polymict breccia.
> > >
> > > As for type 3 chondrules...well I see a few chondrules that look
almost
> > perfect to me...but
> > > only a couple. What do I know anyway???
> > >
> > > It should be interesting to see how this material is classified
out...in
> > comparison to Zag.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > > Hello All,
> > > >
> > > > At first glance Amgala is somewhat similar looking to Zag although
> there
> > are
> > > > noticeable differences between the two. I do not believe Amgala is
> > going to
> > > > classify as a regolith breccia but rather a polymict breccia.
Unlike
> > Zag,
> > > > no type 3 areas have been identified. Two laboratories are
currently
> > > > studying Amgala and neither one has observed water bearing minerals
> but
> > some
> > > > interesting clasts have been found which we will report on later.
> > Another
> > > > party suggested halite because ~10% of the most recently collected
> > broken
> > > > stones show some oxidation on the exposed surfaces. This oxidation
is
> > very
> > > > minor and could be removed easily with an air abrasion tool but we
> chose
> > not
> > > > to in order to preserve these stones in as found condition.
> > > >
> > > > As far as the price dropping into the $5.00 to $7.00 a gram range it
> is
> > very
> > > > doubtful because there is less than 12 kilograms TKW and a good
> portion
> > has
> > > > already been sold to collectors for between $7.50 a gram for
fragments
> > and
> > > > $12.00 a gram for fully crusted specimens. The seventh and final
trip
> > to
> > > > the area by the Moroccan half of Team LunarRock only produced five
> > stones
> > > > making it less than cost effective to return to the region. All
> > indications
> > > > are that this is a very small fall with precious little more
material
> > coming
> > > > out. After all, nomads avoid this area and soldiers have been
> > methodically
> > > > searching it for months now. Only the soldiers know which areas are
> > safe
> > > > and which are not and they are done searching because of the lack of
> new
> > > > finds associated with this fall.
> > > >
> > > > We rang up a tremendous amount of expenses pursuing this fall
> including
> > > > communication, transportation, specimen purchases, sample material,
> > > > supplies, shipping and lab fee costs. 26% of the recovered stones
we
> > paid
> > > > the high field price for turned out to be a black chondrite not
> related
> > to
> > > > this fall. This increased our acquisition costs by nearly the same
> > > > percentage. Pursuing Amgala was an expensive undertaking. Was it
> worth
> > it?
> > > > Yes, this is some very handsome material with the nicest jet-black
> > velvety
> > > > crust I have seen not to mention the contrast provided by the
polymict
> > > > breccia texture.
> > > >
> > > > We will update as lab results come in which promise to be
interesting.
> > > >
> > > > All the best,
> > > >
> > > > Adam
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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