[meteorite-list] OT- Our position regarding the IMCA

From: D Marsocci <dmarsocci_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:32:48 2004
Message-ID: <000701c406c7$6d01ce70$571bfa18_at_w2kdave>

Oh boy :o here we go again.

Let it not be misunderstood that this post may be misunderstood.

Dave Marsocci

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom aka James Knudson" <knudson911_at_frontiernet.net>
To: "David Freeman" <dfreeman_at_fascination.com>; "Ron DiIulio"
<starman_at_unt.edu>
Cc: <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>; <Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT- Our position regarding the IMCA


> Hello, Dave wrote,
>
> "I urge folks to buy from only 98% or better feed back, the IMCA seal,
> and from the top IMCA sales dealers only."
>
> With all do respect Dave, should the small IMCA dealers just go ahead and
> drop out of the IMCA leaving the IMCA with only a few of it's biggest
> members? The new IMCA, three members strong, you can trust us!! I hope I
> took you wrong! : )
>
> Thanks, Tom
> peregrineflier <><
> IMCA #6168
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Freeman <dfreeman_at_fascination.com>
> To: Ron DiIulio <starman_at_unt.edu>
> Cc: <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>; <Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 10:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT- Our position regarding the IMCA
>
>
> > Dear Ron and List;
> >
> > (CAPS ON PURPOSE)
> >
> > WHY WOULD ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND BID ANY AUCTION WHEN THE SELLER HAS
> > A NEGATIVE FEED BACK RATING? Seems a case of comes around goes
> > around...buy from negative feed back and get negative feed back.
> >
> >
> > I urge folks to buy from only 98% or better feed back, the IMCA seal,
> > and from the top IMCA sales dealers only. One can see their activity by
> > looking up the ebay user ID for feed back and number of feed back in the
> > past month, year, etc. With so many good dealers out there having slow
> > sales, WHY support bad business?
> >
> > One wouldn't really buy from Mr. Frass, or Mr. emerald meteorite either,
> > wud ewe?
> >
> > Dave Freeman
> > mjwy
> >
> > Ron DiIulio wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Adam (and the rest of the list).
> > >
> > > As one who was recently 'scammed' by a fraudulent dealer through ebay,
> > > I can only laud the efforts of the IMCA to notify its members of
> > > possible frauds. Although my ebay "win" was quite small, I
> > > discovered---much to my disappointment---that ebay is quite reluctant
> > > to get involved in any form of dispute. So...as has been said..."buyer
> > > beware".
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If I had read some of this group's, and IMCA's threads, prior to my
> > > sale I would have seen all the warning flags and removed myself from
> > > the auction. Unfortunately, I was traveling and missed the threads.
> > > However, because of many emails from this list and IMCA members I
> > > chose to pay the fraudulent seller via an escrow service so I could
> > > have you guys examine the specimen. He never responded to any of my
> > > emails, nor to the escrow service. Consequently, I never sent any
> payment.
> > >
> > > As a result I have my first negative response which ebay will not
> > > consider removing!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It's interesting to note, however, that the seller (glassface1) has a
> > > 100% negative rating already, but ebay wouldn't respond to my call to
> > > take a closer look at him.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Oh well...it was an inexpensive learning experience--it only cost me
> > > my first negative feedback!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Ron DiIulio
> > >
> > > Planetarium and Astronomy Lab Director
> > >
> > > Physics Department
> > >
> > > University of North Texas
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >>> "Adam Hupe" <adamhupe_at_comcast.net> 03/08/04 04:53PM >>>
> > > Dear List members,
> > >
> > > We recognize that the List and IMCA are two different entities. Since
> > > they
> > > cross over sometimes we thought we would state our position regarding
> the
> > > IMCA. If you are not interested please just delete this message and
> > > no harm
> > > will have been done.
> > >
> > > It was mentioned that my brother, Greg and I do not belong to the
> > > IMCA. We
> > > have been members since its inception and fully endorse the efforts of
> > > this
> > > group. We do not post often because the group is managing itself
pretty
> > > well. In our opinion, the IMCA is evolving into a highly respected
> entity
> > > by going to non-profit corporation status. It seems like the natural
> > > thing
> > > to do since the IMCA is more and more becoming a recognized authority
on
> > > such important subjects such as authenticity.
> > >
> > > Although the group has limitations regarding ebay issues, Ken is doing
a
> > > professional job contacting sellers who are marketing questionable
> > > items. I
> > > am sure this has reduced the number of frauds being committed by
> > > accident or
> > > otherwise and for this we should all be thankful. It takes a lot of
> > > effort
> > > to contact these vendors and for this the IMCA should be applauded.
> > > Almost
> > > everybody including ourselves has been scammed at one time or another
> > > and it
> > > leaves a bad taste that lasts a long time. If some buyers can be
spared
> > > this I do not see a problem in trying to prevent it.
> > >
> > > As far as law suites go, we would be willing to pay for lab time and a
> > > professional scientist's report on questionable material if legal
> > > action was
> > > brought to bear against the IMCA. We hope to see IMCA become the
> > > benchmark
> > > on authenticity that only a coherent group as a whole can produce.
> > > The IMCA
> > > can only reach this goal as a collective group, more powerful than any
> > > single individual.
> > >
> > > We fully endorse the IMCA,
> > >
> > > Adam and Greg Hupe
> > > The Hupe Collection
> > > IMCA 2185
> > >
> > >
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