[meteorite-list] OT- Our position regarding the IMCA
From: Tom aka James Knudson <knudson911_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:32:48 2004
Hello, Dave wrote,
"I urge folks to buy from only 98% or better feed back, the IMCA seal,
and from the top IMCA sales dealers only."
With all do respect Dave, should the small IMCA dealers just go ahead and
drop out of the IMCA leaving the IMCA with only a few of it's biggest
members? The new IMCA, three members strong, you can trust us!! I hope I
took you wrong! : )
----- Original Message -----
From: David Freeman <dfreeman_at_fascination.com>
To: Ron DiIulio <starman_at_unt.edu>
Cc: <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>; <Meteoriteemail@example.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT- Our position regarding the IMCA
> Dear Ron and List;
> (CAPS ON PURPOSE)
> WHY WOULD ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND BID ANY AUCTION WHEN THE SELLER HAS
> A NEGATIVE FEED BACK RATING? Seems a case of comes around goes
> around...buy from negative feed back and get negative feed back.
> I urge folks to buy from only 98% or better feed back, the IMCA seal,
> and from the top IMCA sales dealers only. One can see their activity by
> looking up the ebay user ID for feed back and number of feed back in the
> past month, year, etc. With so many good dealers out there having slow
> sales, WHY support bad business?
> One wouldn't really buy from Mr. Frass, or Mr. emerald meteorite either,
> wud ewe?
> Dave Freeman
> Ron DiIulio wrote:
> > Hi Adam (and the rest of the list).
> > As one who was recently 'scammed' by a fraudulent dealer through ebay,
> > I can only laud the efforts of the IMCA to notify its members of
> > possible frauds. Although my ebay "win" was quite small, I
> > discovered---much to my disappointment---that ebay is quite reluctant
> > to get involved in any form of dispute. So...as has been said..."buyer
> > beware".
> > If I had read some of this group's, and IMCA's threads, prior to my
> > sale I would have seen all the warning flags and removed myself from
> > the auction. Unfortunately, I was traveling and missed the threads.
> > However, because of many emails from this list and IMCA members I
> > chose to pay the fraudulent seller via an escrow service so I could
> > have you guys examine the specimen. He never responded to any of my
> > emails, nor to the escrow service. Consequently, I never sent any
> > As a result I have my first negative response which ebay will not
> > consider removing!
> > It's interesting to note, however, that the seller (glassface1) has a
> > 100% negative rating already, but ebay wouldn't respond to my call to
> > take a closer look at him.
> > Oh well...it was an inexpensive learning experience--it only cost me
> > my first negative feedback!
> > Regards,
> > Ron DiIulio
> > Planetarium and Astronomy Lab Director
> > Physics Department
> > University of North Texas
> > >>> "Adam Hupe" <adamhupe_at_comcast.net> 03/08/04 04:53PM >>>
> > Dear List members,
> > We recognize that the List and IMCA are two different entities. Since
> > they
> > cross over sometimes we thought we would state our position regarding
> > IMCA. If you are not interested please just delete this message and
> > no harm
> > will have been done.
> > It was mentioned that my brother, Greg and I do not belong to the
> > IMCA. We
> > have been members since its inception and fully endorse the efforts of
> > this
> > group. We do not post often because the group is managing itself pretty
> > well. In our opinion, the IMCA is evolving into a highly respected
> > by going to non-profit corporation status. It seems like the natural
> > thing
> > to do since the IMCA is more and more becoming a recognized authority on
> > such important subjects such as authenticity.
> > Although the group has limitations regarding ebay issues, Ken is doing a
> > professional job contacting sellers who are marketing questionable
> > items. I
> > am sure this has reduced the number of frauds being committed by
> > accident or
> > otherwise and for this we should all be thankful. It takes a lot of
> > effort
> > to contact these vendors and for this the IMCA should be applauded.
> > Almost
> > everybody including ourselves has been scammed at one time or another
> > and it
> > leaves a bad taste that lasts a long time. If some buyers can be spared
> > this I do not see a problem in trying to prevent it.
> > As far as law suites go, we would be willing to pay for lab time and a
> > professional scientist's report on questionable material if legal
> > action was
> > brought to bear against the IMCA. We hope to see IMCA become the
> > benchmark
> > on authenticity that only a coherent group as a whole can produce.
> > The IMCA
> > can only reach this goal as a collective group, more powerful than any
> > single individual.
> > We fully endorse the IMCA,
> > Adam and Greg Hupe
> > The Hupe Collection
> > IMCA 2185
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