[meteorite-list] Thauthe comments that were made earlier

From: meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net <meteoritehunter_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:32:44 2004
Message-ID: <030120042244.18001.63e4_at_comcast.net>

See Adam, that is the entire problem as I see it. We were in the field, 10,000 miles from home DOING IT, while you were sending emails and talking. I KNOW what went on there as does ERIC. WE WERE THERE, you never went there. So please dont try to tell us ANYTHING that went on in Thuathe. I love armchair warriors.
Mike Farmer
> Hello Eric and List,
>
> I will not bring Thuathe up again as I was told a completely different field
> price was being paid by our supplier. I have no reason to doubt your word,
> Eric so I will leave this one alone. I was only responding to an email I
> thought was posted to the List earlier mentioning Thuathe.
>
> No hard feelings, just expressing what I believed to be true,
>
> Adam
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <star-bits_at_comcast.net>
> To: "Adam Hupe" <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>
> Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 1:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] An insight to Amgala and other recent falls
>
>
> > <The 23 kilograms was stuck in
> > customs for months while you proceeded to destroy the market with the
> couple
> > of kilos you purchased from natives in the field paying way too much.
> This
> > caused our supplier to raise his prices to the point it was no longer
> > attractive and we sent most of the material back.>
> >

> > These statements have been made a couple times in the past and I have
> kept my mouth shut knowing Mike would respond. But as the other member of
> thuathe trip this time I decided to post the facts.
> > Mike and I paid between $0.50 and $0.90 per gram to the villagers for
> their thuathe. We also bought several kilograms from Tony Ambrose for $2.00
> per gram. We were told on numerous occasions by many unrelated sources that
> Tony was paying $0.10 per gram or less. Yes, we paid 5-10 times what Tony
> was paying. Yes, Tony was probably pissed he had to pay a fair price
> afterwards, but we left him a pile of money so he could afford to. There
> wasn't a single piece Mike and I bought from the villagers that we felt we
> paid too much for. I'd be happy to pay less, but I'd still pay the same
> prices again for those pieces.
> > After expenses we felt $6-$8 per gram was a fair price and we have
> pretty much maintained those prices since. The only way we "proceeded to

> destroy the market" was to quench some of the demand. If your supplier
> shafted you by raising his prices then I suggest it was his greed not the
> fact Mike and I paid $0.50 more per gram in the field. Hopefully this will
> be the last we have to hear about our outrageous overpayment in the field
> and how we destroyed the market.
> >
> > --
> > Eric Olson
> > ELKK Meteorites
> > http://www.star-bits.com
> > > Dear Mike and List Members,
> > >
> > > This post is not intended to be argumentative but could be perceived by
> some
> > > as being so. We just want to make our position known in regards to the
> new
> > > fall and other issues that were brought up by Mike Farmer on his latest
> > > posts. Do not worry, our intentions are not to get involved in
> perpetual
> > > arguements on the List as this has proven to be most unproductive in the
> > > past.
> > >
> > > First of all Mike, you were not the first to report this new fall.
> Check
> > > with the University of Washington and NAU. A few List members have been

> > > aware that we were working on this fall for some time and can vouch for
> us,
> > > not that this is needed. I will not respond to your ridiculous
> accusations
> > > that we have a few samples and made all this up to scoop you. Time will
> > > show who is telling the truth and in very short order. We forgive you
> for
> > > accidentally stumbling onto this fall months after the fact. We are not
> too
> > > worried about you damaging the market this time with your share that
> only
> >
> > > amounts to a few hundred grams after you divide it up with your
> investors.
> > >
> > > Secondly Mike, you were never the first to report any new fall that we
> are
> > > aware of. If your memory serves you correctly, and let the record show,
> > > that we were the first to submit samples of Bensour to the scientific
> > > community within 5 days of the fall. A month had elapsed before you
> > > recovered any Bensour, long after Dean Bessey, Rob Elliot and ourselves
> made

> > > it available to market. As a matter of fact, we even announced the name
> and
> > > classification before you made your supposed trip to Bensour. We never
> > > claimed we went to the Bensour region but you did. We told the NomCom
> to
> > > get the coordinates from you since you claimed to have been to this
> > > dangerous area but, of course, no coordinates were provided. This is
> the
> > > last piece of data needed to make Bensour an official fall. Step up to
> the
> > > plate and provide this most crucial data and impress us all.
> > >
> >
> > > Another note, You destroyed the price of Bensour by selling it for less
> than
> > > your cost at $2.80 a gram just to get even with Bessey. When a well
> known
> > > collector asked for several kilograms at this price you reneged. When
> you
> > > pull stunts like this it affects the market as a whole not just your
> > > intended victim. It is no wonder collectors, dealers and one scientist
> are

> > > saying you have done more damage to the market than any single source.
> > >
> > > Third, we produced everything we said we were going to in the past
> including
> > > Thuathe. We introduced Thuathe at the Tucson show over a year ago
> before
> > > you were aware it existed. We sold out within two weeks and had another
> 23
> > > kilograms on its way when you made a trip out there yourself with the
> > > coordinates we "supposedly" gave to you. The 23 kilograms was stuck in
> > > customs for months while you proceeded to destroy the market with the
> couple
> > > of kilos you purchased from natives in the field paying way too much.
> This
> >
> > > caused our supplier to raise his prices to the point it was no longer
> > > attractive and we sent most of the material back.
> > >
> > > As we said before, we will release several beautiful specimens of the
> Amgala
> > > fall later this week if it has not become tainted with all this
> negativity.
> > > Why is it that with every new fall it brings the worst out in some

> people?
> > > Anyway this is some gorgeous looking material with a lots of stories yet
> to
> > > be translated still coming in. Stay tuned.
> > >
> > > Wishing everybody the best,
> > >
> > > Adam and Greg Hupe
> > > The Hupe Collection
> > > IMCA 2185
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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