[meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?
From: Michel Franco <michel_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:32:11 2004 Message-ID: <00cf01c3e82f$93161230$ba570f50_at_cailloubi12zzr> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C3E837.F47FD710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear list, An interesting topic.=20 Some serious facts. I had the big opportunity to stay in the Amguid area, Algeria twice in = the last 2 years. =20 Having beeg invited by the University of Algiers, to help some field = prospection with the Museum National d'Histoire Naturelle de Paris, = around 2 impacts carters ( Amguid and Tin Bider, ) I had the pleasure to = be introduced to the local Police Forces in Amguid. We had a military = escort during our first trip. It creates relations and friendship as we = shared a mechoui and more. It happened also that we where exactly in = Amguid in 2003 when the group of 30 tourists where caught, and that we = had the pleasure again to meet our friends from the previous year = military escort that were just coming back from a first survey to = localize the kidnappers, in an aera bewteen Amguid and Illizi, about 500 = km in the East of the Acfer reg, more that 1000 klm from the Tanezrouft = area.=20 We do not see here any meteorite link between that kidnapper group, who = was known by our local helps and also by the military forces. ( the GSPC = true )=20 During that same expeditions we also had the opportunity top see 2 = ciarettes smugglers caravan of Toyotas 6 vehicles on the first time and = 14 the second time. There is a big money. We also had the chance to find = a lost 55 gallons drum on our way to the Tin Bider crater, having to = follow the same track as the smuggers for half a hundred miles.=20 On another hand we have developped a network of prospectors somewhere in = the Sahara, who also cross borders to prospect. Their land was cut into = new countries after the french decolinization. They have relative on = each side of many borders and they use to visit them quite often, do not = forget that they are basically nomads. They are paid for their job by = me, on a no cure no pay basis. ( But they find many meteorites.. I know = how much I spend on travels and how much I give them. I do not see any = Million $ figure in my expenses.) I would be intellectually inapt to = invest millions of $ in buying tons of OC's and some goodies to my = people. Anyone can buy them much cheaper in Morocco, according what I = unserstand from my hunting mates that go there and buy their meteorites = in Morocco.=20 I do not understand the link bewteen NWa's , other Saharan meteorites = and terrorsim. The arguments developped by the Pelissons brothers = drastically lack of real clues. The GSPC group asked for a ransom and = got it: there were the millions of $, in kidnapping not in meteorites. I do not see people playing at meteorites in the no-mans land between = Algeria and Morocco, Sahara is so vast that one should be mad to = prospect there: it is full of mines! My people know many nomads = crossing borders, are they all smugglers ? All african borders are = porous. Camels, cars, trucks, dattes, hifi, computers,cigarettes, there = are the major traffics.=20 I started prospecting in Libya as the Pelissons did, and I have to admit = that I smuggled the meteorites throught the Libyan border and then = through the Tunisian border. As the Pelisson did. (Roland, personnal = communication.) Another story. My mates found a nice achondrite last year, a small = fragment with crust 14 g, ( is is a polymict diogenite or something = close, analyses are not finished. ) having seen the crust and the little = thumbprints on it I suggested that they go back to the plalce and look = again. They came back with a perfect complete individual of 50 g. These = meteorites are legally imported in France throught customs. I run a = registered meteorite business in France, I just ask the Pelisson if = their SaharaTeam is a regsitered company. if no, I will say that they = probably finance terrorism.=20 I am reading the numerous answers to this topic. Yes Bernhard is right, = this can make a lot of harm to the community.=20 I go back to my cooking. Lobsters and Champagne tonite. I will tell you = why in a while.=20 BTW I have some auctions at=20 http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=3Dkayu= nwar&include=3D0&since=3D-1&sort=3D3&rows=3D50 My 2 teas Michel FRANCO ----- Original Message -----=20 From: SaharaTeam_at_aol.com=20 To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:35 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones "bought" in Morocco.=20 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this = market.=20 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and = up to Egypt.=20 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed = since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites =3D contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been = target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat)=20 - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a = military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite = strewnfields in 2003.=20 - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's = land between the two countries.=20 - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who = prefer to stay "anonymous".=20 - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is = lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard & Roland Pelisson ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C3E837.F47FD710 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1276" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear list,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>An interesting topic. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Some serious facts.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I had the big opportunity to stay in = the Amguid=20 area, Algeria twice in the last 2 years. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Having beeg invited by the University = of=20 Algiers, to help some field prospection with the Museum National=20 d'Histoire Naturelle de Paris, around 2 impacts carters ( Amguid and Tin = Bider,=20 ) I had the pleasure to be introduced to the local Police Forces in = Amguid. We=20 had a military escort during our first trip. It creates relations and = friendship=20 as we shared a mechoui and more. It happened also that we where = exactly in=20 Amguid in 2003 when the group of 30 tourists where caught, and that we = had the=20 pleasure again to meet our friends from the previous year military = escort that=20 were just coming back from a first survey to localize the kidnappers, in = an aera=20 bewteen Amguid and Illizi, about 500 km in the East of the = Acfer reg,=20 more that 1000 klm from the Tanezrouft area. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We do not see here any meteorite link = between that=20 kidnapper group, who was known by our local helps and also by the = military=20 forces. ( the GSPC true ) </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>During that same expeditions we also = had the=20 opportunity top see 2 ciarettes smugglers caravan of Toyotas 6 vehicles = on the=20 first time and 14 the second time. There is a big money. We also had the = chance=20 to find a lost 55 gallons drum on our way to the Tin Bider crater, = having to=20 follow the same track as the smuggers for half a hundred miles. = </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On another hand we have developped a = network of=20 prospectors somewhere in the Sahara, who also cross borders to = prospect. =20 Their land was cut into new countries after the french decolinization. = They have=20 relative on each side of many borders and they use to visit them quite = often, do=20 not forget that they are basically nomads. They are paid for their job = by me, on=20 a no cure no pay basis. ( But they find many meteorites.. I know how = much I=20 spend on travels and how much I give them. I do not see any = Million $=20 figure in my expenses.) I would be intellectually inapt to invest = millions=20 of $ in buying tons of OC's and some goodies to my people. Anyone can = buy them=20 much cheaper in Morocco, according what I unserstand from my hunting = mates that=20 go there and buy their meteorites in Morocco. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I do not understand the link bewteen = NWa's , other=20 Saharan meteorites and terrorsim. The arguments developped by the = Pelissons=20 brothers drastically lack of real clues. The GSPC group asked for a = ransom and=20 got it: there were the millions of $, in kidnapping not in=20 meteorites.<BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I do not see people = playing at=20 meteorites in the no-mans land between Algeria and Morocco, Sahara is so = vast=20 that one should be mad to prospect there: it is full of mines! My = people=20 know many nomads crossing borders, are they all smugglers ? All african = borders=20 are porous. Camels, cars, trucks, dattes, hifi, computers,cigarettes, = there are=20 the major traffics. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I started prospecting in Libya as the = Pelissons=20 did, and I have to admit that I smuggled the meteorites throught the = Libyan=20 border and then through the Tunisian border. As the Pelisson=20 did. (Roland, personnal communication.)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Another story. My mates found a nice = achondrite=20 last year, a small fragment with crust 14 g, ( is is a polymict = diogenite or=20 something close, analyses are not finished. ) having seen the crust and = the=20 little thumbprints on it I suggested that they go back to the plalce and = look=20 again. They came back with a perfect complete individual of 50 g. These=20 meteorites are legally imported in France throught customs. I run a = registered=20 meteorite business in France, I just ask the Pelisson if their = SaharaTeam is a=20 regsitered company. if no, I will say that they probably finance = terrorism.=20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am reading the numerous answers to = this topic.=20 Yes Bernhard is right, this can make a lot of harm to the = community.=20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I go back to my cooking. Lobsters = and=20 Champagne tonite. I will tell you why in a while. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>BTW I have some auctions at = </FONT></DIV> <DIV><A=20 href=3D"http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&u= serid=3Dkayunwar&include=3D0&since=3D-1&sort=3D3&rows=3D5= 0">http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid= =3Dkayunwar&include=3D0&since=3D-1&sort=3D3&rows=3D50</A>= </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My 2 teas</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Michel FRANCO</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3DSaharaTeam_at_aol.com=20 href=3D"mailto:SaharaTeam_at_aol.com">SaharaTeam@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor= itecentral.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, = 2004 7:35=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [meteorite-list] NWA = meteorites=20 - money for terrorism?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D1 = face=3DArial size=3D2=20 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"=20 = PTSIZE=3D"10">  = ; =20 NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?<BR><A=20 = href=3D"http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html">http://w= ww.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html</A><BR><BR><BR>1=20 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones "bought" in Morocco. <BR>2 - = There is=20 no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. <BR>3 = - More=20 than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to = Egypt. <BR>4=20 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed = since=20 1994. Islamic army groups cross the=20 = border.<BR> &n= bsp; &nb= sp;=20 NWA meteorites =3D contraband meteorites<BR><BR><U>Some serious = facts:</U><BR>-=20 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been = target of=20 the Bush government since September 11th live in=20 Algeria:<BR> - GIA (Armed Islamic=20 Group)<BR> - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and = Combat)=20 <BR>- 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a = military=20 attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in = 2003.=20 <BR>- Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no = man's land=20 between the two countries. <BR>- NWA meteorite contraband is still = financed by=20 private investors who prefer to stay "anonymous". <BR>- The track of = the=20 millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian=20 border.<BR><BR><BR>More info :<BR><A=20 = href=3D"http://www.saharamet.com/">http://www.saharamet.com/</A><BR><BR>R= ichard=20 & Roland Pelisson<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C3E837.F47FD710-- Received on Sat 31 Jan 2004 02:22:31 PM PST |
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