[meteorite-list] Meteorwrong help?

From: Roman Nakonechny <uraninut239__at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:32:11 2004
Message-ID: <Law9-F23rm7Y2NLR1nQ0004b35d_at_hotmail.com>

Thanks John,
            Your Specific Gravity info./formulas will be studied and
hopefully applied to my heavy metal alloys, electrolytically separated pure
elemental metals, and" God knows" what else they are. I'm hoping the
heaviest one is iridium- it weighs close to 2lb.'s (no metric ){:- )>. It's
quite the fascinating metal and one of the densest. you can actually see the
2mm electrolysis rod holes and sometimes pieces of rods stuck in them and
bent over. The Smelter Bldg. guy we talked to said that train cars would
pull up to the Metallurgy Bldg. with automatic weapons drawn and everybody
was told to leave temporarily, but this was about 30 yrs. ago. One can only
guess at what the metal or metals were that demanded so much security. But,
enough about that, lets get back to your problem with walking the hills and
fields and ,unfortunately , picking up the poor sandstones and quartzites
you run across and then further their anguish by bathing the metamorphics.
You know there's mega-support group of rock and mineral and meteorite
defilers meeting in Tucson right now John . I think I've tortured the
subject enough John. Seriously, have you been to the Tucson Show yet, and
what's hot as far as the meteorites go. I dont know if you have a booth or
are going to just window shop the place. I'll leave you's alone now.
Thanks Again.
    Have A Good Weekend



>From: j.divelbiss_at_att.net
>To: "Roman Nakonechny" <uraninut239__at_hotmail.com>
>CC: knudson911_at_frontiernet.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorwrong help?
>Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:13:44 +0000
>
>Roman,
>
>Well, let's see, I have spent a lot of time wandering the hills and fields
>looking at every strange rock I see. Some I try to pick up and look at,
>turn
>them over and look at their bottoms and other places. Oh no it's worse than
>I
>thought...some I even take home and, I can't take say it, give them a bath.
>Oh nooooo, I do need help! Can you get me a number of that research group
>in
>Nebraska?...maybe they can get me to a support group, preferably in
>Tucson...next weekend.
>
>As for the dumb/slow American talk about using english units...that was for
>the benefit of the metric users from around the world who would have jumped
>all over me for the conversion crap we go through all the time. Actually,
>it
>probably takes more brains to perform the english methods than the metric.
>;)
>
>John
>PS I do have to use that useless math crap to make sure I don't mess up my
>work. Clients who don't get what they want, or bad engineering that blows
>things up or doesn't work properly often pisses them off for some reason.
>Otherwise who needs it, right!
>
>
> > Thanks John,
> > Dont sell yourself short- you're not a slow American.
>If
> > you're a slow American then I'm "so slow" that I'm on a respirator and
> > waiting for a new heart. I was a spelling champ, math was the most
>useless
> > bit of crap at the young age of 13+ onward through high school. But
>that
> > was quite a while back. If you can do those calculations you're either
>very
> > young or you practice them , or it's part of you're job , or you had to
> > help your kid with physics. Whatever it may be, you're ahead of a lot of
> > people and not slow. But be carefull if you ever start bathing
>meteorites.
> > Researchers at Corn Stalk, Nebraska University For Human Behavior have
> > found that bathing meteorites (in warm scented water) can be a very
>sensual
> > experience and can also lead to abuse, if you're so pre-disposed. Then
>if
> > you're caught , you're labeled a rock molester, and the neighborhood
>has
> > to get notified of your sad criminal propensity for jumping fences and
> > touching the unprotected rocks. Dont even start bathing meteorites-
>they'll
> > ruin your life.
> > And you know what they do to rock touchers in prison. ={:-)>
> > Hope I did'nt scare you. You can tell it's Friday night, cant you?
> > G O O D N I G H T - Enjoy your weekend. ~~~~~~~~~~*
> > >From: j.divelbiss_at_att.net
> > >To: "Roman Nakonechny" <uraninut239__at_hotmail.com>
> > >CC: knudson911_at_frontiernet.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > >Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorwrong help?
> > >Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:35:59 +0000
> > >
> > >Roman and others,
> > >
> > >Specific gravity...we've all seen the picture of weighing a specimen
>out of
> > >water and then in water to come up with specific gravity. You need a
>scale
> > >that can hang the object you are weighing in the water. I don't
>remember
> > >the
> > >method details but the answer is usually stated in grams per centimeter
> > >cubed.
> > >
> > >I have used my own method for a while to do the same where I weigh the
> > >object
> > >on a scale and convert that weight to ounces (dumb English system!)
> > >
> > >Then I use a cylinder(round) shaped coffee can for small items, or a
> > >straight
> > >sided bucket for larger items to determine the volume of the object by
>the
> > >change in height of the water: first without the object and then with
>the
> > >object. As a slow American I use a stick rule in inches to figure this
>out.
> > >
> > >so it goes like this:
> > >
> > >determine weight in OUNCES
> > >
> > >Determine the change in volume in the water level by measuring the:
> > >HEIGHT without object first
> > >HEIGHT with the object second
> > >
> > >The difference in height in inches is then used to calculate the SG
>along
> > >with some conversions factors to get it into grams/centimeter cubed.
> > >
> > >change or delta Volume = Area of container circle x inches in
> > >height(change)
> > >delta V =(pie or 3.14...)x diameter(inches) squared)x(height change in
> > >inches)
> > >delta V is a number in inches cubed
> > >
> > >the conversion formula without all the details is as follows:
> > >
> > >(object in OUNCES/delta V in inches cubed)x(0.06102/0.03527) = SG in
> > >grams/cm
> > >
> > >0.06102 is the conversion of cubic inches to cubic centimeters
> > >0.03527 is the conversion of ounces to grams.
> > >
> > >For the smart users of metric the metric system....the answer is
>determined
> > >by the change in volume in cubic centimeters cubed and the weight in
>grams
> > >or:
> > >
> > >Weight in grams/change in Volume in centimetes cubed (now that seems
>easier
> > >doesn't it) = grams/cm cubed
> > >
> > >Bottom line is most rocks have SG of 1.5 to 3, heavier rocks full of
>iron
> > >
> > >like stony meteorites are in the 3 to 5 range, and steel and it's metal
> > >friends like iron meteorites are in the neighborhood of 7 to 8. Silver
>and
> > >Lead in the 10 to 11 range and gold all the way up near 18 to 19.
> > >
> > >Have fun and don't get wet. (I don't do this with known meteorites)
> > >
> > >John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Tom. I have a hell of a collection of US STEEL processed metal
> > >chunks
> > > > and raw ore (especially the terrestrial gorgeous blood red,
>sometimes
> > > > orange/brown and even fluorescent bright yellow Iron Ores , from the
> > >500Ft.
> > > > down level I was told by a Smelter bldg. worker 20yrs. back-half the
> > >stuff
> > >I
> > > > havent figured out yet. They share one common trait- they are all
>hard
> > > > -you'll have a hard time scratcing one but they do chip-off fairly
> > >easily.
> > > > Some have a black as night oxide coating. Some have a brown and
>light
> > >brown
> > > > coating, but they're not mine ore-they're processed rare earth
> > > > metals/elements -by electrolysis or what have ya.. You know ,
>there's
> > >one
> > >
> > > > piece that has the dimensions 2+1/2 x 2+1/2 x1 inches , and you
>have
> > >to
> > > > struggle picking it up with your index finger and thumb- Yes, I do
>have
> > > > three more fully functioning fingers Tom. They sure have their
> > >differences
> > > > as far as hardness ,streak, weight in the hand (specific gravity).I
>wish
> > > > someone would show me how you test a sample for its specific
>gravity. My
> > > > pieces, that I found, as far away as 2miles from the USX Ore
> > >Locomotives
> > > > Tracks are all different processed metals for specific custom
>alloying
> > > > metals ,I think? I used to do some metal-detecting in this humongous
> > > > old-growth 300yr. old trees Pubic Park as Matteo would say, and I
>figure
> > > > some of the pieces had to have gotten that far and sometimes closer
>too,
> > >by
> > > > kids and adults picking them up and then playing (kids) and losing
>them
> > >.As
> > > > a treasure hunter you quickly learn to see how movement of
>underground
> > > > artifacts or above ground stuff like 100yr. old soda bottles might
>have
> > >
> > > > gotten where they did. But to answer your question it's probably a
> > >processed
> > > > metal ore. Do a streak test on it . Get a piece of broken or extra
> > > > porcelain tile or if you happen to find an old toilet lid , crack a
> > >nice
> > > > piece off for youself so you have a scrach pad- to do the streak
>test
> > >for
> > > > color. You can chip down the larger piece of lid to the size you
>want.
> > >Also
> > > > Tom, My 30 some odd pieces - not one is magnetic except for the
>Natural
> > > > Iron Ores. Later
> > > > G O O D N I G H T
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Tom aka James Knudson" <knudson911_at_frontiernet.net>
> > > > >To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > > >Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorwrong help?
> > > > >Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:35:08 -0700
> > > > >
> > > > >Hello List, My (soon to be ex) mother in law showed me a rock she
> > >found in
> > > > >Oklahoma a few years ago. My first impression was cool a iron
> > >meteorite!
> > > > >The weight and the appearance was perfect but nothing happened when
>I
> > >got
> > >
> > > > >out the magnet. My second guess was lead, but its to hard. A little
> > >window
> > > > >revels that it is nice and shiny on the inside. It is not slag, or
>at
> > >least
> > > > >not like any I have seen and I have seen my fair share! Also, it
>sure
> > >looks
> > > > >natural I do not know what's in OK as far as minerals go so I am
>at a
> > > > >loss.
> > > > >Any ideas, metal that is does not attract a magnet?
> > > > >Thanks, Tom
> > > > >peregrineflier <><
> > > > >IMCA #6168
> > > > >
> > > > >
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