[meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative
From: Martin <Martin_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:32:02 2004 Message-ID: <021801c3dba4$383c47e0$9de150d9_at_9y6y40j> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0215_01C3DBAC.86C01920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gosh and all those protestants, mesmerists and those who need two hands = to eat a steak, but sorry - in the 18th century Frederick the Great of Germany already = gave the Moon to one of his poets as reward of his writings. So no = chance! Hm, I forgot about the Moon treaties, but I read some old space treaties = accepted by the UN. According to them each nation, which is able to launch a space craft, is = allowed to exploite all treasures of the space. The WHOLE space, not = only the Moon.=20 Well, poor aliens... o.k. You can keep the Moon, I prefer a galaxy cluster, it has more beef. Martin PS: China is not looking for control - with their population = development, they just need soon a new supply of their famous and = beloved MOON CAKES! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Miconi=20 To: Howard Wu ; Martin Altmann ; meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative Bush is looking at one contigency only....and that is if China beats = us back to the moon we will have the largest COMMUNIST NUKE owning = country in command of the moon. Our strategic command of the skies will = be gone, as will the safety of our satellites, both commercial and = military. Possesion is 99% of the rule. Once any country sets up a permanent = base on the moon they will have command of the high ground.=20 I for one will feel much better if it is the good ole USA in control = of the moon. Just my paranonia showing through. Mark M. Phoenix AZ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Howard Wu=20 To: Martin Altmann ; meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative In a strange way yes. The apollo astronaut discovered helium 3 which = at a billion dollars a ton is energy equivalent to oil at seven dollars = a barrel if we can figure out how to use it. The Chinese think this can = be done by the time they set up there moon base and we don't want to be = left behind, so says Bush's science advisors.=20 Perhaps we can get him to volunteer for the first mars mission, one = way. Howard Wu Martin Altmann <Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de> wrote: They found oil there? Or do they have to place the Moon car there, before the VLT in = Chile is ready? Martin A. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Christopher Scott=20 To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative This is still NOT proven and in fact, there is evidence there is = little or not water on the Moon. When they crashed Clementine into a = shadowed crater thought to have water ice, none was seen in the debris. The ISS is fragile and not really a great place to work. = Microgravity is very difficult to work in. The Moon would be a much = better place and much easier to work in and leave out from. Besides, we = need to learn to work on the surface of another planet and the Moon = would be a great place to do just that. Christopher ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom aka James Knudson=20 To: CalSouth1_at_aol.com ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative Hi John, From what I understood from awhile back, the ice that = is on the moons poles(?) would save them a lot of water hauling from = earth. With the escape velocity so much less on the Moon, they would = have an easier time launching a rocket full of water (for drinking and = such) on the way to mars from there as opposed to the Earth. Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier <>< IMCA 6168 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: CalSouth1_at_aol.com=20 To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 10:37 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative As there are quite a few space savvy folks on this = list....just asking a question pertaining to Bush's speech. He said the moon was the logical place to initiate space = exploration missions. Yet the moon has harsh environmental = challenges.....and it seems those challenges are less on Mars. Only the = distance is a problem. =20 It would seem to me that a space station orbiting Earth = would be the better place to initiate trips to Mars and beyond? John -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gosh and all those protestants, =
mesmerists and=20
those who need two hands to eat a steak,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>but sorry - in the 18th century =
Frederick the Great=20
of Germany already gave the Moon to one of his poets as reward of his =
writings.=20
So no chance!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hm, I forgot about the Moon treaties, =
but I read=20
some old space treaties accepted by the UN.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>According to them each nation, which is =
able to=20
launch a space</FONT> <FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>craft, is allowed =
to exploite=20
all treasures of the space. The WHOLE space, not only the Moon. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well, poor aliens...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>o.k. You can keep the Moon, I prefer a =
galaxy=20
cluster, it has more beef.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Martin</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>PS: China is not looking for control - =
with their=20
population development, they just need soon a new supply of their famous =
and=20
beloved MOON CAKES!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dmam602_at_cox.net href=3D"mailto:mam602@cox.net">Mark =
Miconi</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dfreewu2000_at_yahoo.com=20
href=3D"mailto:freewu2000_at_yahoo.com">Howard Wu</A> ; <A=20
title=3DAltmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de=20
href=3D"mailto:Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de">Martin Altmann</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor=
itecentral.com</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 15, =
2004 8:40=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] =
Bush's=20
Space Initiative</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bush is looking at one contigency =
only....and=20
that is if China beats us back to the moon we will have the largest =
COMMUNIST=20
NUKE owning country in command of the moon. Our strategic command of =
the skies=20
will be gone, as will the safety of our satellites, both commercial =
and=20
military.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Possesion is 99% of the rule. Once =
any country=20
sets up a permanent base on the moon they will have command of the =
high=20
ground. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I for one will feel much better if it =
is the good=20
ole USA in control of the moon.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just my paranonia showing =
through.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mark M.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Phoenix AZ</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dfreewu2000_at_yahoo.com =
href=3D"mailto:freewu2000_at_yahoo.com">Howard=20
Wu</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3DAltmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de=20
href=3D"mailto:Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de">Martin Altmann</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor=
itecentral.com</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 15, =
2004 12:26=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] =
Bush's=20
Space Initiative</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>In a strange way yes. The apollo astronaut discovered helium 3 =
which at=20
a billion dollars a ton is energy equivalent to oil at seven dollars =
a=20
barrel if we can figure out how to use it. The Chinese think this =
can be=20
done by the time they set up there moon base and we don't want to be =
left=20
behind, so says Bush's science advisors. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Perhaps we can get him to volunteer for the first mars mission, =
one=20
way.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Howard Wu<BR><BR><B><I>Martin Altmann <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de">Altmann@Meteorite-Martin.de</=
A>></I></B>=20
wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV>They found oil there?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Or do they have to place the Moon car there, before the VLT =
in Chile=20
is ready?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Martin A.</DIV>
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</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3DChristopherJ_at_centurytel.net=20
href=3D"mailto:ChristopherJ_at_centurytel.net">Christopher =
Scott</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor=
itecentral.com</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January =
15, 2004=20
7:04 AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[meteorite-list]=20
Bush's Space Initiative</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>This is still NOT proven and in fact, there is evidence =
there is=20
little or not water on the Moon. When they crashed Clementine =
into a=20
shadowed crater thought to have water ice, none was seen in the=20
debris.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The ISS is fragile and not really a great place to work.=20
Microgravity is very difficult to work in. The Moon would be a =
much=20
better place and much easier to work in and leave out from. =
Besides, we=20
need to learn to work on the surface of another planet and the =
Moon=20
would be a great place to do just that.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Christopher</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dknudson911_at_frontiernet.net=20
href=3D"mailto:knudson911_at_frontiernet.net">Tom aka James =
Knudson</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3DCalSouth1_at_aol.com=20
href=3D"mailto:CalSouth1_at_aol.com">CalSouth1@aol.com</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor=
itecentral.com</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, =
January 14, 2004=20
9:45 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[meteorite-list]=20
Bush's Space Initiative</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Hi John, From what I understood from awhile back, the ice =
that is=20
on the moons poles(?) would save them a lot of water hauling =
from=20
earth. With the escape velocity so much less on the Moon, they =
would=20
have an easier time launching a rocket full of water=20
(for drinking and such) on the way to mars from =
there as=20
opposed to the Earth.</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks, Tom<BR>Peregrineflier <><<BR>IMCA =
6168<BR></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3DCalSouth1_at_aol.com=20
href=3D"mailto:CalSouth1_at_aol.com">CalSouth1@aol.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor=
itecentral.com</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, =
January 14,=20
2004 10:37 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> =
[meteorite-list]=20
Bush's Space Initiative</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>As there are quite a few space savvy folks on this =
list....just=20
asking a question pertaining to Bush's speech.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>He said the moon was the logical place to initiate =
space=20
exploration missions. Yet the moon has harsh =
environmental=20
challenges.....and it seems those challenges are less on =
Mars. =20
Only the distance is a problem. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It would seem to me that a space station orbiting Earth =
would=20
be the better place to initiate trips to Mars and =
beyond?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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