[meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help

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From: MexicoDoug_at_aol.com <MexicoDoug_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:31:24 2004
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G'day,

When it comes to Latin in science, you really can't go wrong, no matter what=
=20
anyone says, because the "rules" are not absolute, although some modern=20
"experts" try to standardize pronunciation. This is mostly because scientif=
ic=20
naming using Latin uses the English pronunciation of things like "Caesar"=20=
=3D=3D> pron.=20
C=E9sar. (Cesar w/ stress on "e"). Also if they are scientific names, the=20
original language pronunciation must be conserved for imports like for the n=
ame of=20
the Bessey's Cherry, "Prunus besseyi", or Farmer's Orchid, "Dendrobium=20
farmeri", or the Fijian Snail, "Ba humbugi", or the moth "La cucuracha", loo=
k up the=20
different species of the Gressittia genus if you have a sophomoric sense of=20
humor, and figure out how to pronounce that one.

However, in Classical Latin (around the time of Christ), if that is your=20
interest, pronunciation can be quite different, and Caesar is pronounced Kys=
ar;=20
the letter "v" is pronounced as "w"; get a copy of Vox Latina by Sidney Alle=
n if=20
you want to do it like it is thought the ancients did.

In two syllable words, the stress ("accent") is almost always on the initial=
=20
syllable. If you have a short vowel (double consonant) in the second to las=
t=20
syllable in words of more than three syllables - i.e., short vowel sound in=20
the second to last syllable, the stress is usually on the second to last=20
syllable, but there are lots of exceptions derived from letters like th, ph,=
ch, etc.=20
(this can be better appreciated when you keep in mind the th sound is from=20
the single Greek letter theta, the ph is also the single letter "f" sound fr=
om=20
Greek letter phi, and ch is still considered a single letter en espa=F1ol. =20=
On=20
the oher hand the "x" is considered two consonants as it is pronounced "ks"=20=
and=20
second to last syllable is the tendency producing a short vowel sound as in=20
"Lexus-Nexus" or Texas, rather than TEEX-as; similarly the long sound in wor=
ds=20
like "pinus" which thankfully botanists say PYE-nis instead of PEE-nus,=20
lu-PYE-nus instead of lu-PEE-nis.

This all seems close enough to on-list to me if you want to study place name=
s=20
of ancient meteorites for a good part of the then governed world, or old=20
scientific descriptions of rocks and suspected falls.

Saludos
Doug Dawn
Mexico

En un mensaje con fecha 02/17/2004 10:45:58 PM Mexico Standard Time,=20
jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com escribe:

> Asunto: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help=20
> Fecha: 02/17/2004 10:45:58 PM Mexico Standard Time
> De: jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com
> Para: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
> Enviado por Internet=20
>=20
> G'day all,
> =20
> Sorry for the slightly OT topic. In some of my meteorite readings I came=20
> across some Latin words and terms. I would like some help with pronouncing=
them=20
> and would certainly appreciate any help. If you can speak Latin could you=20
> please contact me off list?
> =20
> Thanks,
> =20
> Jeff Kuyken
> I.M.C.A. #3085
> www.meteorites.com.au
> www.meteoritesaustralia.com
>=20

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<HTML><HTML>G'day, 
 
When it comes to Latin in science, you really can't go wrong, no matter what=
anyone says, because the "rules" are not absolute, although some modern "ex=
perts" try to standardize pronunciation.  This is mostly because scient=
ific naming using Latin uses the English pronunciation of things like "Caesa=
r" =3D=3D> pron. C=E9sar. (Cesar w/ stress on "e").  Also if they ar=
e scientific names, the original language pronunciation must be conserved fo=
r imports like for the name of the Bessey's Cherry, "Prunus besseyi", or Far=
mer's Orchid, "Dendrobium farmeri", or the Fijian Snail, "Ba humbugi", or th=
e moth "La cucuracha", look up the different species of the Gressittia genus=
if you have a sophomoric sense of humor, and figure out how to pronounce th=
at one. 
 
However, in Classical Latin (around the time of Christ), if that is your int=
erest, pronunciation can be quite different, and Caesar is pronounced Kysar;=
the letter "v" is pronounced as "w"; get a copy of Vox Latina by Sidney All=
en if you want to do it like it is thought the ancients did. 
 
In two syllable words, the stress ("accent") is almost always on the initial=
syllable.  If you have a short vowel (double consonant) in the second=20=
to last syllable in words of more than three syllables - i.e., short vowel s=
ound in the second to last syllable, the stress is usually on the second to=20=
last syllable, but there are lots of exceptions derived from letters like th=
, ph, ch, etc. (this can be better appreciated when you keep in mind the th=20=
sound is from the single Greek letter theta, the ph is also the single lette=
r "f" sound from Greek letter phi, and ch is still considered a single lette=
r en espa=F1ol.  On the oher hand the "x" is considered two consonants=20=
as it is pronounced "ks" and second to last syllable is the tendency produci=
ng a short vowel sound as in "Lexus-Nexus" or Texas, rather than TEEX-as; si=
milarly the long sound in words like "pinus" which thankfully botanists say=20=
PYE-nis instead of PEE-nus, lu-PYE-nus instead of lu-PEE-nis. 
 
This all seems close enough to on-list to me if you want to study place name=
s of ancient meteorites for a good part of the then governed world, or old s=
cientific descriptions of rocks and suspected falls. 
 
Saludos 
Doug Dawn 
Mexico 
 
En un mensaje con fecha 02/17/2004 10:45:58 PM Mexico Standard Time, jeff_at_me=
teoritesaustralia.com escribe: 
 
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Asunto: [meteorite-list] Sli=
ghtly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help 
Fecha: 02/17/2004 10:45:58 PM Mexico Standard Time 
De: <A HREF=3D"mailto:jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com">jeff@meteoritesaustrali=
a.com</A> 
Para: <A HREF=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list=
_at_meteoritecentral.com</A> 
Enviado por Internet 
 
G'day all, 
  
Sorry for the slightly OT topic. In some of my meteorite readings I came ac=
ross some Latin words and terms. I would like some help with pronouncing the=
m and would certainly appreciate any help. If you can speak Latin could you=20=
please contact me off list? 
  
Thanks, 
  
Jeff Kuyken 
I.M.C.A. #3085 
<A HREF=3D"http://www.meteorites.com.au/">www.meteorites.com.au</A> 
<A HREF=3D"http://www.meteoritesaustralia.com/">www.meteoritesaustralia.com<=
/A> 
</BLOCKQUOTE> 
 
 
 
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