[meteorite-list] Response to the Pellissons

From: joseph_town_at_att.net <joseph_town_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun Dec 5 00:47:30 2004
Message-ID: <120520040547.8983.41B2A0E90003A62A0000231721603831160299019BA1089F0A9C0106_at_att.net>

So true,

My Grandfather used to say, "Pelican oh pelican, your beak can hold more than your bellycan." I don't think these people will ever get their fill.

Bill

 
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From: David Freeman <dfreeman_at_fascination.com>
> Dear Michael;
> You have echoed my sentiments exactly. I may point out that a few
> years ago, a well known meteorite person was caught thieving meteorites
> from a certain country and his name was not spoken in meteorite circles
> for a very long time and is not today a welcomed member of our
> fraternity. I think that his lesson was just. I feel that maybe this
> same type of treatment of the pelicans may very well be just.
> Pelican, a sea buzzard that has a gut so full of dead fish that it can
> no longer soar...mmm. Maybe a slang name change is due since we already
> have "one whose name we do not speak"?
> Best,
> Dave Freeman
>
> Michael L Blood wrote:
>
> >Mr. & Mr. Pellisson,
> > I consider the situation the meteorite community is facing due
> >to your actions so sever I have given this 24 hours of thought before
> >responding. I did not want to "over react" or take unwarranted action.
> >I consulted with close friends on the list, asking for feedback, etc.
> >Finally, I find the following response modest, given the circumstances
> >you have created and which we now all face:
> > I have been to you web site, sirs, from the link you provided in
> >your post to the list:
> >http://www.SaharaMet.com
> >>From the main page, I then clicked on "NWA
> >contraband" which took me to:
> >http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html
> >from which the following is a direct and exact quote:
> >--
> >"Smugglers, dealers, investors, all the people who buy, sell, trade and
> >publish documents about these meteorites want to conceal the truth. As long
> >as the collectors believe that unknown hunters wish to keep the locations of
> >their finds secret, that all these meteorites are good for science and a
> >good purchase, the business will go on! The plundering of North Africa, the
> >support to organized smuggling rings, the financing of terrorism..."
> >--
> > Besides for impeaching pretty much everyone on the list in the
> >above statement, you have reportedly individually used the names of a good
> >many people for whom I hold deep respect not the least of whom include
> >Bernd Pauli, Art Jones and Jeff Grossman in an attempt to "prove" everyone
> >having anything to do with NWA meteorites - except yourselves, is
> >contributing to terrorists. While it is no secret I am strongly anti war, I
> >non the less passionately support the safety of people serving this
> >country and most certainly consider all terrorists the enemy of all
> >civilized humans. For you to claim the meteorite community supports
> >terrorists - for your personal ends is utterly reprehensible.
> > The amount of potential damage resulting from your outrageous claim
> >is is yet to be seen, but is certainly incalculable in scope.
> > Unless you immediately remove this atrocity from your site, to you I
> >say, a permanent "good day."
> > Why anyone on this list would have anything to do with you or your
> >business while you continue to host this on your site is beyond me entirely.
> > As long as you maintain this wretched propaganda as part of your
> >site (or anywhere else) under no circumstances will I purchase from you or
> >speak to you or in any way whatsoever support any business conducted by
> >you. Remove that site and then I will listen to what you have to say. Until
> >then:
> > If you post to this list, I will not respond or acknowledge your
> >post. If you show up in Tucson, I will not enter your room. If you show up
> >at my auction, I will have security remove you.
> > Take down the site. Now.
> > Good day, Michael Blood
> >PS: Anyone else care to let the Pellisons know how much business from them
> >they can expect as long as this atrocious portion of their site remains?
> >
> >
> >on 12/3/04 2:30 PM, SaharaTeam_at_aol.com at SaharaTeam@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >>Let us explain the French problem with B. Fectay/C. Bidaut
> >>
> >>Bruno Fectay and Carine Bidaut have sued us in March 2004 for libel. It is
> >>"only" a civil action between B. Fectay/C. Bidaut and us to claim for
> >>damages.
> >>Now we are also claiming for damages against them.
> >>
> >>It will take several months to the justice before to return a verdict.
> >>As you can imagine, nothing is illegally done in front of the court :
> >>private emails are not admissible.
> >>And "nobody" can be summoned to appear in a civil action.
> >>
> >>All the remarks and all the publicity which have been given to this affair
> >>are the consequences of this civil action.
> >>
> >>Regarding our web page on NWA meteorites, the French court decided in our
> >>favor:
> >>"Il ne peut être contesté que le débat sur les lieux de découvertes des
> >>météorites est légitime et présente un intérêt scientifique. La même
> >>légitimité doit être reconnue pour les discussions sur le transport et les
> >>opérations commerciales relatives à ces météorites"
> >>
> >>We hope that everybody can return to his passion. And we wish that those
> >>interested by the subject will wait for the official decision.
> >>And if Bruno Fectay has something to express why does he needs to write
> >>through N. Classen and not with his own email ?
> >>
> >>
> >>For those who want to know more about us and our work on Saharan
> >>strewnfields, you can browse our web pages:
> >>http://www.SaharaMet.com
> >>
> >>And our 2003 expedition on Mauritanian craters:
> >>http://www.saharamet.com/expedition/2003/craters.html
> >>
> >>Best regards,
> >>Richard and Roland Pelisson
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Norbert Classen" <trifid_at_timewarp.de>
> >>To: "meteorite-list" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> >>Cc: "La Memoire de la Terre" <info_at_meteorite.fr>
> >>Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:38 AM
> >>Subject: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby?
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hi All,
> >>>
> >>>I'm forwarding this message on behalf of Bruno & Carine.
> >>>They are having problems to post to the list, and thus they
> >>>asked me for assistance. Please read below.
> >>>
> >>>BTW, I believe their message to be of major importance to
> >>>us all. We shouldn't allow a few rotten apples to spoil our
> >>> hobby - so please read what Bruno & Carine have to say since
> >>>it affects us all, and a few of us, more directly.
> >>>
> >>>If you want to take action, please contact Bruno & Carine in
> >>>that matter. You may reach them via: info_at_meteorite.fr
> >>>
> >>>Best,
> >>> Norbert
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>
> >>>Dear List Members,
> >>>
> >>>this subject is of high interest as it will affect all of us
> >>>including the scientists. What the Pellissons are doing is just
> >>>unbelievable, they already did contact the French interior
> >>> Ministry as well as the Customs offices in different countries.
> >>>They are linking the meteorite community to terrorism in different
> >>> ways.
> >>>
> >>>They did send to major medias a 64 pages document full of crap
> >>>with parts of YOUR private and public mails to try to establish
> >>>that nobody but themselves have the right to sell meteorites!!
> >>>
> >>>Be aware than in a close future we will all have problems shipping
> >>>or crossing borders with meteorites, thanks to them!
> >>>Just try a Google search for "money for terrorism" and you will get
> >>>straight to their page, listed in first place.... see it here:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q=%22money+for+terrorism%22&meta=
> >>>
> >>> They are using metanames and cross linking
> >>>with pages about horrible things just to attract interest on them.
> >>>
> >>>You all know that we did bring them to court, they already have been
> >>>sentenced in emergency during the last Tucson show. Now we are driving
> >>>them to serious things, we received their list of pseudo arguments
> >>>from our attorneys.
> >>>
> >>>Here is the list of the people they are involving in front of the Judge
> >>>and the Lyon's Court (the second biggest in France), they are using
> >>>parts of your public and private emails to try to explain why meteorites
> >>>(except of their own) are funding terrorism.
> >>>
> >>>Warning: be aware that these documents are used to prove that either
> >>>you 100% agree with them and support their ideas or that you are involved
> >>>in funding islamist networks......
> >>>
> >>> Privates:
> >>>Mr Bernd Pauli
> >>>Mr Eric Twelker
> >>>Mr Art Jones
> >>>Mr Alain Carion
> >>>Mr Michael Farmer
> >>>Mr Michel Franco
> >>>Mr Aziz Habibi
> >>>Mr Nelson Oakes
> >>>Mr Bob Verish
> >>>Mr Greg and Adam Hupe
> >>>Mr Tracy Latimer
> >>>Mr Luc Labenne
> >>>Mr Dean Bessey
> >>>Mr Matteo Chinellato
> >>>
> >>> Scientists:
> >>>Dr Zenda
> >>>Dr Grossman
> >>>Dr Barrat
> >>>Dr Treiman
> >>>Dr Huss
> >>>Dr Gillet
> >>>Dr Jambon
> >>>Dr Bunch
> >>>the whole Meteoritical Society
> >>>the AMNH of New York
> >>>the MNHN of Paris
> >>>
> >>>And this is only a resume of the thing, it would take days to translate
> >>>the horrors they are building. As an example they are trying to explain
> >>>that the MNHN of Paris did send Michel Franco to build a new network
> >>>for funding Al Queda and they sent that to the French medias...
> >>>
> >>>What will be the next step? Child abuse? Drug traffic? If we don't stop
> >>>them now be sure everybody will get in trouble because of the wonderful
> >>>hobby we share: meteorites.
> >>>
> >>>As your names and private emails have been used by them in a public
> >>>court and have been transmitted to medias and Customs offices
> >>>worldwide, you have the right to ask them a translated copy of the way
> >>>they are using it, you can urge them by law to stop using your names and
> >>>mails too....
> >>>
> >>>We stay available if you need further advices.
> >>>
> >>>Sorry to send such a terrible post, but the community should be aware of
> >>>what is going on.
> >>>
> >>> Sincerely,
> >>>
> >>>Bruno & Carine
> >>>La Memoire de la Terre Sarl
> >>>The Earth's Memory LLC
> >>>France
> >>> www.meteorite.fr
> >>>www.fossile.fr
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "dean bessey" <deanbessey_at_yahoo.com>
> >>> To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> >>>Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 6:26 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SaharaMet Expedition on meteorite impact
> >>>craters
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>This is from the pellison guys who says terrorists are
> >>>>being supported by you meteorite buyers.
> >>>>In court in France my own name was used in French
> >>>>court along with my postings to this list as evidence
> >>>>that I stated terrorists were being supported by our
> >>>>meteorite buys.
> >>>>Now I ask every member of this list? Where in the
> >>>>archaives do I provide evidence that Al Quada is
> >>>>supported by our buys? This is pure fabrication and
> >>>> efforts to drive everybody else out of the desert. I
> >>>>havent seen the court document but I suspect they have
> >>>>taken some of the moronic fights about exporting
> >>>>meteorites illegally from morocco that me, farmer, the
> >>>>hupes and others have sadly gotten involved in in our
> >>>>efforts to claim that "My meteorites are better than
> >>>>your meteorites" (Yes, I am as guilty as anybody in
> >>>>this "My meteorites are better than your meteorites"
> >>>>crap even though it is not possible to illegally
> >>>>export meteorites from morocco because there is no law
> >>>>in morocco saying that you cant do it - go to your
> >>>>local moroccan embassy if you want confirmation of
> >>>>what I am saying here).
> >>>>My suspicion is that they took things out of context
> >>>>and misquoted what was said taking things out of
> >>>>context.
> >>>>So lets see, we have a dealer who is known to have
> >>>>deliberately misquoted other people and lied about
> >>>>what was said in postings. We know that the pelissons
> >>>>are people with no scruples and have no hessitation
> >>>>about lying. If they willingly lie in court imagine
> >>>>what they would tell meteorite collectors. Tell me, is
> >>>>this the type of person that you would buy a meteorite
> >>>>from? They lied at least twice. How do you know that
> >>>>they are not lying when they tell you that they never
> >>>>bought a NWA in morocco from aid mohammad and instead
> >>>>of selling it for 20 cents a gram like I would do if I
> >>>>bought a NWA from aid mohammad, they offer it to you
> >>>>at $2 a gram as their own find? They lied once in a
> >>>>very orchastrated court fraud and made up a story that
> >>>>meteorite funds are supporting terrorism.
> >>>> Does known fakers really need three strikes to be out?
> >>>>If you pay more than 15 cents a gram for a pellisson
> >>>>meteorite you are buying something from people with no
> >>>>more trustworthyness than dealing with a lot of the
> >>>>moroccans. The pellisons meteorites have no more known
> >>>>about them than if you buy my 20 cent NWAs. You dont
> >>>>know where they are from.
> >>>>And yes, I really am pissed off because my name was
> >>>>used in french court in a fabricated court case.
> >>>>Sincerely
> >>>>DEAN
> >>>>
> >>>>--- SaharaMet <SaharaTeam_at_aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>A new page on our desert trips:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - Mauritanian Sahara expedition
> >>>>> - Temimichat and Tenoumer impact craters
> >>>>> - panoramic views of the craters
> >>>>> (4000x650 pixels)
> >>>>> - impactites and shocked granitic rocks
> >>>>> - story of the journey
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Go to:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.saharamet.com/expedition/2003/crater.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Richard & Roland Pelisson
> >>>>>SaharaMet
> >>>>>Sahara expeditions and great meteorite discoveries
> >>>>> http://www.saharamet.com
> >>>>>
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