[meteorite-list] Morocco new fall news.

From: Michael Farmer <meteoritehunter_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri Dec 3 13:30:50 2004
Message-ID: <013c01c4d966$36f7af30$0200a8c0_at_S0031628003>

What a crock of crap, like I tell anyone, just about every word out of a
Moroccan's mouth is a lie. I don't have one gram, didn't buy one gram, don't
want one gram.
Tell your handlers Dean, that they are liars, and hello from me.
Mike Farmer
----- Original Message -----
From: "dean bessey" <deanbessey_at_yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 11:23 AM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Morocco new fall news.


> Farmers price range is what I have been offered it at
> also. 50 dhirims is what everybody is offering it to
> me at (But with a side that they like me so I can have
> it cheaper - Over the past week I have had 3 moroccans
> tell me that farmer was in morocco and buying it up
> like crazy at 50 dirhams a gram).
> But what really pisses me off about the moroccans is
> their lies about TKW amounts. They contact 10 dealers
> and tell us all that this 300 grams is the entire
> find and later if you buy it then 300 grams more
> magicly gets found. You never know what the moroccans
> have hidden and almost everybody over their takes
> part in that particular scam. I generally dont get
> involved with the achondrites for strictly that
> reason.
> However, they started off saying that this new fall
> has 60 kilos. If there really was only 60 kilos I am
> betting that the reported weight would right now be 8
> kilos. That would be the normal way that things are
> done in morocco for 60 kilos of a new find. By saying
> 60 kilos I am betting that the real so far known
> weight is more like 200 or 300 kilos. Thats how things
> get reported in morocco. If anybody pays anything
> remotely close to $6 they are taking the huge gamble
> that this one meteorite is the time that the moroccans
> have started reporting the known weights honestly.
> I plan on getting involved in this fall when I can
> offer it to my customers at $1 a gram and still make a
> decent profit. Until you can buy it retail at $1 a
> gram I would avoid it.
> Thats just my honest opinion. I have been wrong in the
> past and if there is only 8 kilos you will be sorry
> when the price hits $35
> Cheers
> DEAN.
>
>
>
> --- McomeMeteorite Meteorite <meteorites_at_hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> $6 - 10/gr. ? Moroccan people they begin to do
>> clever, but in the same time
>> they will be ruined with them their same hands
>>
>> Matteo
>>
>>
>> >From: "Michael Farmer"
>> <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
>> >To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>> >Subject: [meteorite-list] Morocco new fall news.
>> >Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:14:51 -0700
>> >
>> >Hello everyone, I have just arrived back in Tucson
>> after one of the most
>> >difficult and dangerous trips I have ever done.
>> >
>> >I was in Morocco for the last week to investigate
>> the new fall and a new
>> >Pallasite. Everything that could have gone wrong on
>> this trip, did, so I
>> >left Morocco very quickly and returned home.
>> >
>> >I will make a very long story short but it should
>> serve as a warning to
>> >all.
>> >
>> >I got some of the new Pallasite last month in
>> Morocco, and planned a trip
>> >to go to the site of the meteorite find. It is in
>> Western Sahara, right on
>> >the Algeria/Morocco/Mauritania borders. This is the
>> same Pallasite that
>> >John Birdsell has some of.
>> >I was assured that it was no problem to go to the
>> area, but when I got to
>> >Assa, we changed into a very old military vehicle,
>> this is when I should
>> >have realized that something was wrong.
>> >When we got to Zag, we detoured off road for about
>> 20 kilometers to avoid
>> >the town and police/military checkpoints.
>> >The meteorite is 30 kilometers south and east of Al
>> Mahbas Western Sahara,
>> >and when we got about 20 kilometers from the area,
>> we went off-road. That
>> >is when the Moroccans told me that this was a
>> military-only, prohibited
>> >zone, and that we were not allowed there! I of
>> course got a little
>> >concerned (especially when we saw several
>> mine-fields. We were driving
>> >cross-country at night with no lights, only by full
>> moonlight, (not a safe
>> >thing in an old war zone where mine-fields are
>> still around).
>> >The next morning we arrived at the tent of the
>> nomad who found the
>> >pallasite. He led us there, over the berm and
>> military fighting
>> >emplacements to the site, Algeria was only about 2
>> kilometers away.
>> >The place is a small area about 10 meters across,
>> many pieces, mostly shale
>> >fragments full of olivine crystals, and some small
>> individuals. I searched
>> >it for about an hour and found many pieces, and one
>> of the other Moroccans
>> >found a piece about 80 grams, just metal, no
>> crystals. We had planned a
>> >careful search, but one of the Moroccans spotted a
>> military patrol coming
>> >so we packed up quickly and fled. It is very flat
>> there, nowhere to hide.
>> >They chased us for about 2 hours but we were too
>> far ahead and they could
>> >not catch up, but it was close enough for me. An
>> American with
>> >Metal-detectors, GPS,s, video cameras, and
>> Satellite phones, is not welcome
>> >in a closed military zone. I had to hide as much
>> as possible, dressed like
>> >a Moroccan, under blankets, until we left Western
>> Sahara and got back to
>> >Assa.
>> >It was not a fun trip, and when we got to Assa, the
>> hotel owner found out
>> >we had been in Al Mahbas and called the local
>> military colonel, who
>> >promptly arrived to find out why we were in a
>> prohibited area, and demanded
>> >a large bribe to allow us to avoid some very
>> serious problems. The bribe
>> >was paid needless to say, but they had my
>> information and copy of my
>> >passport from the hotel.
>> >I immediately demanded to get back to civilization
>> and get the hell out of
>> >the country, which I did.
>> >I will give everyone the coordinates of the
>> Pallasite, and anyone with the
>> >cajones to go there can be my guest. I have been
>> around the world many
>> >times, and to worse places than this, but there is
>> nothing that will put
>> >the fear of god in you like driving as fast as the
>> vehicle will go for
>> >hours with military chasing you through
>> mine-fields!
>> >This business can get dangerous as I just found
>> out.
>> >
>> >On the second note, we also dealt with the new fall
>> there, and it is a
>> >total disaster. I did not bother to go to the site,
>> as all of my guys were
>> >there and none of them got any of the meteorite,
>> and the people who had it
>> >offered it to them for $6 to $10 gram! I think that
>> is absolutely ludicrous
>> >and anyone who pays that will seriously regret it
>> as I expect it will be
>> >$1.00 gram soon enough, like Amgala and Bensour,
>> the price will spike at
>> >the beginning, and collapse when more and more
>> comes out.
>> >There is a lot of it, many kilos and it will be
>> available. I had other
>> >problems to deal with there and the new fall was
>> the least on my list.
>> >There is a lot more to this entire story, but this
>> is the gist of it.
>> >For me, the Moroccans have become far to
>> untrustworthy lately and I am
>> >likley done with that mess over there.
>> >Michael Farmer
>> >
>> >
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