[meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted?

From: Martin Altmann <Altmann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue Aug 24 18:17:04 2004
Message-ID: <002c01c48a1c$1fd84100$b0d9e4d9_at_9y6y40j>

Yip Bernd,

just back from beer testing I found the inbox full of those "Campo"-Mails.
Perhaps we should invite Matteo to join this Kindergarten.

Informations quoted from anonymous sources are a priori worthless as well as
statements: My mommy is stronger than yours; I know it, but I won't tell; I
tell to police and you'll have to go to jail.

Dean hit the point,
just let give you the laws and treaties of the regions if you wan't to be a
moralic institution, publish it on the web, ready.
Nice would be a chart of the strewnfield of Campo and Mundrabilla too, for
selfcalling you a scientific institution,
so that we collectors could add this informations to the documentation of
our collections specimens.
And all would be happy and gay.

Btw: Campo, whether new or old, is THE most harmful meteorite to collectors
community.
So many beginners are seduced to buy a Campo from ebay, because it's the
cheapest meteorite on Earth and after a few months it rusted away under
their hands, so that they are so dissapointed, that they quit collecting.
(To take a stabilized one comes not in their minds, because they don't
realize that those have to be more expensive than the ebay-Campo-price
burned into their brains).
I can't count anymore the cries for help: UAAAH my Campo is falling in
pieces, "New" or old.
(That's why I'll never sell Campo, Nantan, Dronino - such a locality you can
sell exatly once and then the client will be lost).

Now I go back to my beer. Boozing is a nice alternative for not making a new
inventory sales list, where noone will buy from, because most of the stuff
is more expensive then unnumbered NWA-crap and stinky Campos.
(There are still 400 breweries in Bavaria left, I'll be back in 100days).

Skol.
Martin A.

PS: My English is bad. "You" means not a particular person, should be ment
as "one", impersonnal.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bernhard Rems" <rendelius_at_rpgdot.com>
To: <Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 9:18 PM
Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted?


Adam, Mike,

I love you both. Hug hug, kiss kiss.

Now both of you please tell me that you love each other as well and
invite me to continue to bid on your auctions.

Regards,
Bernhard

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
Michael Farmer
Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. August 2004 21:13
An: Adam Hupe
Cc: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted?

EXCUSE ME, Australia? what do you know about my trip to Australia? What
do
you know ADAM? TELL US ALL Now since you just accused me of committing a
crime. This is beyond reproach. Again, what might I ask do you know
about my
trip to Australia.
Adam, this is not acceptible. How dare you, were you there? Do you know
what
I did? Do you PRETEND to know what I brought back from Australia? DO
YOU?
And might We all ask, HOW do you know such thing, when I have been home
all
of 3 days?
Adam, moment of truth like Dumbya had yesterday, tell us how you know
something about my Australia trip? Ill bet you that you dont.
Michael Farmer
One pissed off guy right now.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
To: "Michael Farmer" <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted?


> Hi Mike and List,
>
> The Campo thing has being going on for years and I thought it was time
to
> clarify things because I was considering going there. I respect the
laws
> governing meteorites and no I am not sitting a load of Campo. What I
have
> in my inventory amounts to less than half a kilo. To be honest, I do
not
> know its legal status because it was purchased at auction in Tucson.
Mike
> just because you do not care about laws as your past record
demonstrates
in
> India and now Australia is no reason for you to jump to conclusions
> regarding my status.
>
> All the best,
>
> Adam
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
> To: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>; "dean bessey"
> <deanbessey_at_yahoo.com>
> Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted?
>
>
> > Are you joking Adam? Why do you keep making these weird
controversies up
> > every week? I saw the Amgala one come up out of the blue, now this?
As
a
> > person who has sold literally TONS of campo, I don't know of any
> > controversy, and till your email, never saw any on this list for at
least
> 4
> > or 5 years.
> > So why did this start up all of a sudden? Are you getting ready to
start
> > selling them, prepping the market for your "legal Campos" while
everyone
> > else sells "Stolen Campos"?
> >
> > I just find this non-existent controversy to be complete idiocy, and
these
> > "sources who want to remain anonymous" give me a break.
> >
> > Why start this up out of the blue for no reason? Why start an
argument
> > where there was none?
> > My two cents.
> > Michael Farmer
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
> > To: "dean bessey" <deanbessey_at_yahoo.com>
> > Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:41 AM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted?
> >
> >
> > > Hi Dean and List,
> > >
> > > The anonymous people you are talking about wish to remain so
because
of
> > the
> > > controversy surrounding Campos. The List can become a
battleground
and
> > they
> > > do not want to take part in the fray. This does not make them
weak,
just
> > > responsible. They, none the less, felt it was important to share
this
> > > information. One of the sources is a well known scientist, another
is
an
> > > author on the subject and the third is a respected List member.
Do
not
> > > forget that a great deal of respectable people follow the List,
choose
> not
> > > to share and understandably want to stay out of controversial
subjects
> > > because of their careers.
> > >
> > > All the best,
> > >
> > > Adam
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "dean bessey" <deanbessey_at_yahoo.com>
> > > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:15 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted?
> > >
> > >
> > > > I wouldent trust some "Unknown annoyonamous" source.
> > > > Lets see that stand up in court or argue it at
> > > > customs.
> > > > It is pretty easy to read a law and pretty easy to get
> > > > a copy of any law in argentina (Just ask the embassy).
> > > > You might need somebody to translate it to english but
> > > > anybody who is making a blind statement of fact and
> > > > being to pussy scared into mentioning their names
> > > > sounds to me more likely sombody trying to privately
> > > > scare you away from looking over their strewnfield.
> > > > Sort of reminds me of Keith Littleton's rant last June
> > > > on this list where he went to some serious
> > > > archaeologists and deliberately misrepresented one of
> > > > Mark Bostics auctions of Libyan Desert Glass as some
> > > > ancient egyptian artifact and then from the responce
> > > > concerning ancient artifacts declared that it was
> > > > illegal to export unworked pieces of libyan desert
> > > > glass.
> > > > It makes no sense to me why somebody without any
> > > > ulterior motive would make the declarations that they
> > > > made to Adam and then request that they remain
> > > > annonamous. If you contact the embassy they wont tell
> > > > you to "Not tell anybody that you got this copy of
> > > > argentnian laws from us".
> > > > There was a new world wide law passed lately. Only the
> > > > pellisons are permitted to deal in meteorites.
> > > > Everybody else by decree are not allowed to deal in
> > > > meteorites.
> > > > The pellisons have told everybody this but we are not
> > > > sure what authority issued it. Seems only the
> > > > pellisons know.
> > > > These "annonumous" sources have about as much
> > > > credibility as keith and the Pellisons rants over the
> > > > past few years.
> > > > Maybe its just me. But somehow it just seems odd to me
> > > > that an intelligent and sane person and serious
> > > > meteorite hunter would plan trips around some
> > > > annonomous individual sending them an email saying
> > > > that something is illegal so stay away rather than
> > > > making a quick phone call to the countries embassy. I
> > > > have a friend who is trying to get twenty two million
> > > > dollars out of Nigeria. I know this to be true because
> > > > he contacted me out of the blue via email from some
> > > > internet cafe last night. Maybe I should put him in
> > > > touch with any list member interested in helping him
> > > > out. Just dont call the nigerian embassy to find out
> > > > the exact law concerning this activity.
> > > > Sincerely
> > > > DEAN
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > .
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Dear List,
> > > > >
> > > > > I would like to thank those who responded to my
> > > > > inquiry about old versus new
> > > > > Campos. I am looking to explore new areas and
> > > > > thought this locality might
> > > > > have been worth investigating but have since changed
> > > > > my mind. Below are a
> > > > > set of responses that best address this issue. The
> > > > > authors would like to
> > > > > remain anonymous so I left their names out.
> > > > >
> > > > > ***********************************************
> > > > > Email #1
> > > > >
> > > > > Your "well informed source" is correct on both
> > > > > counts. Illegal exportation
> > > > > and there are no mountainside finds. The terrain is
> > > > > basically flat and the
> > > > > strewn field is shorter and wider than presented in
> > > > > Cassiday's various
> > > > > papers. The reports of a specimen recovery 70-80 km
> > > > > down-range are repeated,
> > > > > but have never been evidenced. The difference
> > > > > between 'new' and 'old' Campos
> > > > > is the depth of recovery. Cassiday's specimens
> > > > > recovered 1962-73 are both
> > > > > 'new' and 'old'. Recovered at depth within the
> > > > > craters are 'new'; those
> > > > > recovered from surface ejecta or from farmers'
> > > > > fields are 'old'. Repeated
> > > > > irrigation and the use of fertilizers has taken its
> > > > > toll. Cassiday used a
> > > > > WW2 metal detector in his search. With the
> > > > > increasing demand by collectors -
> > > > > beginning about 1989 - much more powerful detectors
> > > > > are being used in
> > > > > recovery; the deeper recoveries being more stable.
> > > > > Not all of the 'new'
> > > > > specimens are stable as some specimens continue to
> > > > > be found at shallow
> > > > > depths. The extremely flat surface of the region is
> > > > > subject to sheet
> > > > > deposition 1-2 cm/100 yr (think Kansas). Runoff is
> > > > > limited to shallow
> > > > > depressions and occasional shallow channels; the
> > > > > slopes of which might be
> > > > > miss translated as mountain-sides.
> > > > >
> > > > > The pre-entry meteoroid is estimated to be ~ 3 m in
> > > > > diameter and masses ~
> > > > > 840,000 kg (Lieberman, et al., in MAPS Feb 2002) and
> > > > > suggests that many more
> > > > > specimens will be smuggled out in the coming years.
> > > > >
> > > > > Other than the variously published photos by Cassidy
> > > > > et, al. I was only able
> > > > > to locate photos of the "Haag" specimen. Its
> > > > > recovery down-range is
> > > > > consistent with aerial break-up scenarios and is
> > > > > probably the Campo del
> > > > > Cielo main mass.
> > > > >
> > > > > ****************************************************
> > > > > Another Note:
> > > > >
> > > > > The place where the "New Campos" are found is the
> > > > > same that the one of the
> > > > > "Old Campos". The difference is the "old" are near
> > > > > the surface, so them
> > > > > intensely undergone the effects of the
> > > > > meteorization, mainly the humidity.
> > > > > The "new" are deeper so that them could conserve its
> > > > > regmagliptes and have a
> > > > > greater stability. The "New Campos" began to appear
> > > > > when the zone was
> > > > > released with powerful metal detectors. Previously
> > > > > the espec?mentes were
> > > > > found on the surface or raised when the fields were
> > > > > plowed.
> > > > > The Campo del Cielo strewn field has 45km by 15km.
> > > > > But it has an area of
> > > > > approximately 1500 hectares where the greater
> > > > > concentration is verified.
> > > > > Many authors affirm that the strewn field reaches 80
> > > > > km, because stories
> > > > > exist on the denominated "Mes?n de Fierro", probably
> > > > > situated 70 km to the
> > > > > NE of the main site. But until today it was not
> > > > > verified.
> > > > >
> > > > *******************************************************
> > > > >
> > > > > I hope you found this information to be as
> > > > > interesting as I did,
> > > > >
> > > > > Adam
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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