[meteorite-list] The problems with Amgala

From: Mauro Daniel <rocksfromspace_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat Aug 7 07:06:46 2004
Message-ID: <BAY7-F22AQcz2G6nRmc0000a147_at_hotmail.com>

When I have cut Amgala this at few time is exit rusty near the metal, but
this is normaly in many other meteorites, I have see the same on Orissa, or
the Park Forest....if the meteorite take a few water is nornaly this
transform in rusty the fresh metal. On the crust, Amgala is visible for a
fresh crust, in the Zag crust I have see some porosity, and the rusty attach
the crust.


>From: "Martin Altmann" <Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de>
>Reply-To: Martin Altmann <Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de>
>To: "Adam Hupe"
><raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>,<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The problems with Amgala
>Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:15:08 +0200
>
>Hi Adam and list,
>
>but Zag is sucking water like a baby milk.
>Even immediately after the fall it was nearly impossible to find specimens,
>which were not stained. All with large brown-rusty areas. I would guess
>only
>5% of that, what came here on the market was fresh and clean. I remember
>Twelker had some good ones and one of the Sahara specialist (Franco?) and
>that was all.
>I doubt, that the specimens held for 6 years now in Morocco can rival in
>freshness the black crusted and internal clean Amgalas.
>Or vice versa - do you know, where to find nowadays clean Zags? I'm sure
>many collectors would be thankfull for a good specimen, as with it's
>multicolour brecciation Zag is in my eyes a very spectacular stone (and
>affordable).
>The best specimen I found this year was a 280gm stone from Cottingham on
>ebay. 80-90% crust, strong regmaglyptes and only minor rust on a small area
>and this at Buy-It-Now-price of the usual weathered stuff on ebay.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Martin A.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
>To: "Mauro Daniel" <rocksfromspace_at_hotmail.com>
>Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 10:16 AM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The problems with Amgala
>
>
> > Hi Matteo and List,
> >
> > Apparently you have run into some dishonesty, I believe it is called a
>bait
> > and switch situation. You think you are buying Amgala and you get Zag
> > instead, a common occurrence these days. The Amgala fall is real, ~65%
>of
> > the dealers who think they are selling the real McCoy are in error
>because
> > they believe their Moroccan supplier. You can blame this on the source,
>not
> > the dealers who are marketing it.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> > Adam Hupe
> > The Hupe Collection
> > Team LunarRock
> > IMCA 2185
> > raremeteorites_at_comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mauro Daniel" <rocksfromspace_at_hotmail.com>
> > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 10:26 PM
> > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] The problems with Amgala
> >
> >
> > > Amgala from what I have see from the piece I have cut is paired 100%
>to
> > Zag,
> > > same matrix, same breccia, same full metal....I hope only the Amgala
>fall
> > is
> > > not a fake fall only for sale extra pieces of Zag meteorite pass for a
>new
> > > fall.....
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "stan ." <laser_maniac_at_hotmail.com>
> > > >To: raremeteorites_at_comcast.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > > >Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] The problems with Amgala
> > > >Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 20:57:01 +0000
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>The problem is that Amgala has not been completely classified yet so
>it
> > is
> > > >>being sold as an unclassified meteorite. One of the reasons it is
>taking
> > > >>so
> > > >>long to classify is that many interesting features have been found
>in
> > > >>Amgala
> > > >>and the scientists want to describe them properly, something every
>fall
> > > >>deserves.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Adam, please forgive me for being overly cynical, but what does the
> > > >classification results have to do with the signifigant dip seen in
>the
> > > >price of amgala? regardless of what it classifies as, your price for
> > stones
> > > >already in your possesion arent going to change. if it gets
>classified
>as
> > a
> > > >common stone the price isnt going to go up. if it gets classified as
> > > >something exotic the price would go up, but we ahve only seen a
>steady
> > > >downward trend in the prices - you can find smallish well crusted
>amgalas
> > > >selling on ebay pretty regularly at 5$ a gram - not as good a deal as
>i
> > > >just got for buying a large stone - but still about 50% of the price
> > being
> > > >asked when it first came out.
> > > >
> > > >this trend isnt really seen in only amgala - look at lunar material -
> > years
> > > >ago it was all priced at several thousand $ a gram - now you can get
>it
> > for
> > > >a few hundred per gram. NWA 1929 was going for 50 to 100$ a gram and
>now
> > > >you can buy it for 20$ - or even as low as 5$ if you buy a big piece.
> > > >olivine diogenite was going for what, 600$ a gram now you see people
> > > >offering it in the 100$ ballpark. kickass LL3's like begga were
>several
> > > >tens of $ a gram and now they can be had for 2$ a gram. look at what
> > > >happened to park forrest prices.
> > > >
> > > >when stuff first comes out - be it a rare classification - or just an
> > > >especially nice new fall it's price tends to be high - after a while
>more
> > > >and more sources of the material open up, and competition drives the
> > prices
> > > >down. it's not about dealers not having business sense - it's about
>free
> > > >market dynamics pushing the prices where they need to be based upon
>the
> > > >laws of supply and demand.
> > > >
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