[meteorite-list] Re: Franconia Area Meteorites

From: Devin Schrader <makinsomenoise_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:31:13 2004
Message-ID: <001201c41f1b$e0eb46b0$6401a8c0_at_hewlett9por0s0>

Hello,
    I know I incoherently rambled on for too long earlier, but I think my
message might have led to some unintential confusion due to how tired I was
when I wrote it. There are many different unpaired meteorites from Gold
Basin. I didn't mean to claim that all of the meteorites from there are the
same. I was just refering to paired samples of Gold Basin that have gone
into universities and broadened the understanding of the Gold Basin
meteorite as a whole. We, in the south west, live in a great area for
meteorites and meteorites have been falling for a long time. The meteorites
love our droughts and the pittiful rain when it does fall. I can't wait to
see the classifications that come out the Franconia area. Ten or so new ones
would give a great boost the Arizona total and show other states that we
have meteorites too (hehe).
Claiming I know what i'm talking about (or at least hoping I do),
     Devin Schrader


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Verish" <bolidechaser_at_yahoo.com>
To: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 7:40 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Franconia Area Meteorites


> Apparently the List was down yesterday when I
> orginally sent my reply to Tracy, and since then Devin
> has done a good job of answering Tracy's question.
> But I'll resend this anyway, because I want to
> pesonally extend kudos to Rubin and Mike for the good
> job they have done in the handling of their
> Franconia/Buck Mountain/Dutch Flat Area meteorite
> finds: -- Bob V.
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 18:27:10 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Robert Verish" <bolidechaser_at_yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Franconia Area Meteorites
> To: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral"
> <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com.>
>
>
> We shouldn't exclude from the Gold Basin Area list all
> of the "Gold Basin L5" and the "Gold Basin L6" stones,
> because I think this is what Tracy was referring to.
> Acceptance of these names has met with resistance,
> (myself included), yet
> there is no denying that these are formally approved
> names (I have the message from Jeff Grossman that
> formally approves their usage).
> But the point to be remembered here is that all of
> these various L-meteorites from Gold Basin are deemed
> by the NomComm to be from the same fall.
> That's why they lumped all of them together under the
> name "Gold Basin".
>
> But it is doubtful that this "special case" for Gold
> Basin will have any bearing on the naming of Franconia
> area meteorites. Here there is ample evidence of
> separate falls, if not overlapping strewn fields.
>
> So, based on the reports of Rubin Garcia & Mike Miller
> - that ASU estimates ~10 different chondrites from
> this area - the typical response to the phrase
> "Franconia meteorite" will be "Okay, but WHICH
> Franconia meteorite?"
>
> And who gets to decide which ones are paired?
>
> Also, I don't feel it's "safe to assume" that enough
> Franconia specimens are being properly examined, let
> alone classified. And that's why the effort put
> forward by Garcia & Miller is so notable; it's because
> they are the exception, and not the rule. They
> deserve major kudos for this effort in getting so many
> of their specimens examined and classified.
>
> It's because of this effort (and they're being local
> to Franconia) and ever since Mike contacted me back in
> November about their new finds, that I have been
> slowly winding down my involvement with this locality.
> So I agree with John, if anyone has any questions
> regarding the types of meteorites being found in this
> "hot-spot", you should contact Ruben or Mike. I've
> already mentioned in a previous post that, if you have
> a Franconia specimen that you want examined, you
> should forward it to ASU Center for Meteorite Studies.
>
> And finally, about my slices of Franconia (H5), I
> would feel more comfortable if we were to refer to
> this stone the John Wolfe meteorite, since he is the
> finder of that stone. My involvement with that stone
> was supposed to be temporary. It was my intention,
> after getting it classified for John, to keep that
> stone in Arizona - in the ASU collection. But after
> more than a year of negotiating, they ended taking an
> unclassified specimen from a meteorite dealer. I
> would still prefer to see Franconia (H5) kept in
> Arizona, but what is Arizona's loss might become some
> collector's gain.
>
> Bob V.
>
> -------------------
>
>
> At 02:17 AM 4/9/2004, tracy latimer wrote:
> >Have other samples of meteorites collected from
> Franconia Wash been turned in for classification?
> Does this mean that Franconia will become
> Franconia(a), to be followed by Franconia(b),
> Franconia(c), etc.? That's one thing that has puzzled
> me; with the several different types that have come
> out of Gold Basin, why are they all still lumped
> together as just "Gold Basin"? Several people have
> said there seem to be at least 2, maybe 3 strewnfields
> there, or at least it seems to be a big collecting
> point.
> There should be enough data there to designate at
> least a couple of different falls/finds.
> >
> >Tracy Latimer
> >
> >
> >
> >>Hi List,
> >>
> >>John is right, as there are many new chondrite finds
> >>in the Franconia area. I along with Mike Miller have
> >>been hunting the area for many months, long beforeit
> >>was common knowledge to the meteorite community. We
> >>have found many meteorites, but just as important we
> >>have found many different types of meteorites. Mike
> >>and I have personally submitted for classification
> >>over 10 different chondrite "types" ranging from
> anLL
> >>to an H. And yes we have even found some Iron
> >>meteorites! I feel confident in saying this because
> >>the Arizona State University has been involved
> withus
> >>in the classification process since the beginningand
> >>therefore this is not merely our opinion but alsothe
> >>opinion those at Arizona State University. As manyof
> >>you know the classification process can take
> sometime
> >>but please be patient as these classifications are
> >>forthcoming.
> >>
> >>During the entire time we have hunted this area we
> >>have only come across a few grams of Bob Verishs'
> >>Franconia meteorite ( fortunately for us we actually
> >>had a slice of his Franconia to compare to our finds
> )
> >> Because of this we can only assume that there is
> >>much less Franconia meteorite than there at first
> >>seemed to be. That is not to say that there isn't a
> >>lot of Franconia, indeed there may be, but maybe
> not
> >>as much as some think. In fact, Bobs Franconia may
> >>not even be the most abundant meteorite out there,
> as
> >>we have many large pieces that are NOT like Bobs
> >>Franconia.
> >>
> >>I have heard it said once or twice that this may be
> >>another gold basin, let me be the first to say I
> >>highly doubt it. First of all it is obviously unique
> >>because of the many types of meteorites being found.
> >>Jim Kriegh ( one of the original gold basin strewn
> >>field finders) upon hunting with us even dubbed it
> >>the " Meteorite Graveyard" as he too found several
> >>different types of meteorites. Also in my humble
> >>opinion there is not all that much left. This is an
> >>area where some of the more skilled hunters can and
> >>have gone days without the slightest signal on their
> >>detector. Many hunters will tell you there are
> >>precious few meteorites still left.
> >>
> >>To this day we continue to hunt, and even though we
> >>don't find much anymore, it is still exiting. Think
> >>about it, these are NEW ARIZONA METEORITES! Whether
> or
> >>not they end up being classified as Franconia or any
> >>one of the many other provisional names we have
> >>chosen, they simply are a unique and rare treasure.
> >>
> >>
> >>Sincerely,
> >>Ruben Garcia and Mike Miller
> >>
> >>__________________________________
>
>
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