[meteorite-list] Re: Franconia Area Meteorites
From: Devin Schrader <makinsomenoise_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:31:13 2004 Message-ID: <001201c41f1b$e0eb46b0$6401a8c0_at_hewlett9por0s0> Hello, I know I incoherently rambled on for too long earlier, but I think my message might have led to some unintential confusion due to how tired I was when I wrote it. There are many different unpaired meteorites from Gold Basin. I didn't mean to claim that all of the meteorites from there are the same. I was just refering to paired samples of Gold Basin that have gone into universities and broadened the understanding of the Gold Basin meteorite as a whole. We, in the south west, live in a great area for meteorites and meteorites have been falling for a long time. The meteorites love our droughts and the pittiful rain when it does fall. I can't wait to see the classifications that come out the Franconia area. Ten or so new ones would give a great boost the Arizona total and show other states that we have meteorites too (hehe). Claiming I know what i'm talking about (or at least hoping I do), Devin Schrader ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Verish" <bolidechaser_at_yahoo.com> To: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 7:40 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Franconia Area Meteorites > Apparently the List was down yesterday when I > orginally sent my reply to Tracy, and since then Devin > has done a good job of answering Tracy's question. > But I'll resend this anyway, because I want to > pesonally extend kudos to Rubin and Mike for the good > job they have done in the handling of their > Franconia/Buck Mountain/Dutch Flat Area meteorite > finds: -- Bob V. > > --------------------------------------------- > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 18:27:10 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Robert Verish" <bolidechaser_at_yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Franconia Area Meteorites > To: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" > <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com.> > > > We shouldn't exclude from the Gold Basin Area list all > of the "Gold Basin L5" and the "Gold Basin L6" stones, > because I think this is what Tracy was referring to. > Acceptance of these names has met with resistance, > (myself included), yet > there is no denying that these are formally approved > names (I have the message from Jeff Grossman that > formally approves their usage). > But the point to be remembered here is that all of > these various L-meteorites from Gold Basin are deemed > by the NomComm to be from the same fall. > That's why they lumped all of them together under the > name "Gold Basin". > > But it is doubtful that this "special case" for Gold > Basin will have any bearing on the naming of Franconia > area meteorites. Here there is ample evidence of > separate falls, if not overlapping strewn fields. > > So, based on the reports of Rubin Garcia & Mike Miller > - that ASU estimates ~10 different chondrites from > this area - the typical response to the phrase > "Franconia meteorite" will be "Okay, but WHICH > Franconia meteorite?" > > And who gets to decide which ones are paired? > > Also, I don't feel it's "safe to assume" that enough > Franconia specimens are being properly examined, let > alone classified. And that's why the effort put > forward by Garcia & Miller is so notable; it's because > they are the exception, and not the rule. They > deserve major kudos for this effort in getting so many > of their specimens examined and classified. > > It's because of this effort (and they're being local > to Franconia) and ever since Mike contacted me back in > November about their new finds, that I have been > slowly winding down my involvement with this locality. > So I agree with John, if anyone has any questions > regarding the types of meteorites being found in this > "hot-spot", you should contact Ruben or Mike. I've > already mentioned in a previous post that, if you have > a Franconia specimen that you want examined, you > should forward it to ASU Center for Meteorite Studies. > > And finally, about my slices of Franconia (H5), I > would feel more comfortable if we were to refer to > this stone the John Wolfe meteorite, since he is the > finder of that stone. My involvement with that stone > was supposed to be temporary. It was my intention, > after getting it classified for John, to keep that > stone in Arizona - in the ASU collection. But after > more than a year of negotiating, they ended taking an > unclassified specimen from a meteorite dealer. I > would still prefer to see Franconia (H5) kept in > Arizona, but what is Arizona's loss might become some > collector's gain. > > Bob V. > > ------------------- > > > At 02:17 AM 4/9/2004, tracy latimer wrote: > >Have other samples of meteorites collected from > Franconia Wash been turned in for classification? > Does this mean that Franconia will become > Franconia(a), to be followed by Franconia(b), > Franconia(c), etc.? That's one thing that has puzzled > me; with the several different types that have come > out of Gold Basin, why are they all still lumped > together as just "Gold Basin"? Several people have > said there seem to be at least 2, maybe 3 strewnfields > there, or at least it seems to be a big collecting > point. > There should be enough data there to designate at > least a couple of different falls/finds. > > > >Tracy Latimer > > > > > > > >>Hi List, > >> > >>John is right, as there are many new chondrite finds > >>in the Franconia area. I along with Mike Miller have > >>been hunting the area for many months, long beforeit > >>was common knowledge to the meteorite community. We > >>have found many meteorites, but just as important we > >>have found many different types of meteorites. Mike > >>and I have personally submitted for classification > >>over 10 different chondrite "types" ranging from > anLL > >>to an H. And yes we have even found some Iron > >>meteorites! I feel confident in saying this because > >>the Arizona State University has been involved > withus > >>in the classification process since the beginningand > >>therefore this is not merely our opinion but alsothe > >>opinion those at Arizona State University. As manyof > >>you know the classification process can take > sometime > >>but please be patient as these classifications are > >>forthcoming. > >> > >>During the entire time we have hunted this area we > >>have only come across a few grams of Bob Verishs' > >>Franconia meteorite ( fortunately for us we actually > >>had a slice of his Franconia to compare to our finds > ) > >> Because of this we can only assume that there is > >>much less Franconia meteorite than there at first > >>seemed to be. That is not to say that there isn't a > >>lot of Franconia, indeed there may be, but maybe > not > >>as much as some think. In fact, Bobs Franconia may > >>not even be the most abundant meteorite out there, > as > >>we have many large pieces that are NOT like Bobs > >>Franconia. > >> > >>I have heard it said once or twice that this may be > >>another gold basin, let me be the first to say I > >>highly doubt it. First of all it is obviously unique > >>because of the many types of meteorites being found. > >>Jim Kriegh ( one of the original gold basin strewn > >>field finders) upon hunting with us even dubbed it > >>the " Meteorite Graveyard" as he too found several > >>different types of meteorites. Also in my humble > >>opinion there is not all that much left. This is an > >>area where some of the more skilled hunters can and > >>have gone days without the slightest signal on their > >>detector. Many hunters will tell you there are > >>precious few meteorites still left. > >> > >>To this day we continue to hunt, and even though we > >>don't find much anymore, it is still exiting. Think > >>about it, these are NEW ARIZONA METEORITES! Whether > or > >>not they end up being classified as Franconia or any > >>one of the many other provisional names we have > >>chosen, they simply are a unique and rare treasure. > >> > >> > >>Sincerely, > >>Ruben Garcia and Mike Miller > >> > >>__________________________________ > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > > ______________________________________________ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Received on Sat 10 Apr 2004 12:50:06 PM PDT |
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