[meteorite-list] Tsavorites
From: Pekka Savolainen <pekka.savolainen_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:30:00 2004 Message-ID: <3F75AFB2.8000003_at_dlc.fi> --------------010707060807050209020409 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, all, well, Tsavorite is a rare green member of the garnet-group, and at least that is the fact, these have nothing to do with Tsavorites. Moldavite is a name for bohemian green tektites, so they are not these eather. So the queston is, are they Tekties or something others. I have had some raw pieces of this material, and at least the pieces I had, had not any special characters of tektites. These are usually dumbled or cutted pieces, so without the more wide lab tests itīs impossible to say anything sure about the origin. To me they look just green obsidian. When I see the first with typical characters of tektite, I may change my mind...;- The arears, they have been found have / have had quite a lot volcanic activity, but not anything (yet), which tells about the impactite structures, and so it looks to me much more possible, they are just volcanic origin glass, and have nothing to do with impacts. But who knows... One way to check the origin is to buy some and get them analyzed in some university lab, but I belive, it would be a waste of time and money. Anyway, if someone is selling tektites, the seller is in response about the origin. This far I have not seen any serious data about this offered by the the sellers. take care, pekka Robert Szep wrote: > Hello Charles & list, > > > > I too am interested in learning more about these mystery-shrouded > Tsavorites that are being compared to and associated with Moldavites. > By being mined from deep in the earth, man-made glass can be ruled-out > as a verdict regarding what they are. > > > > You refer to them as glassy mineral stones and yes they do make better > cut gem stones than true Moldavite but somebody somewhere must have > figured out whether this is indeed a newly discovered variety of > tektite or a non-impact related gem or mineral. Hopefully others on > this list may be able to shed a little more light on Tsavorites or > pass-along a few pearls of wisdom on the general topic. > > > > Some scientific testing of Tsavorite material needs to be conducted. > > Plenty of people would be eager to know the results. > > > > > > Szep, over & out... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:Charles R. Viau <mailto:cviau_at_beld.net> > > To: Impactika_at_aol.com <mailto:Impactika@aol.com> ; > meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com > <mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com> > > Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 4:30 AM > > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Another kind of 'wrong > > > Well, at least they did not call them Moldavite (only Czech) , as most > mineral dealerships do. These particular types are mined from deep > in the earth ( tsavorite, Tanzanian ), and the jury is out as to what > impact they could be related to if they are indeed tektites. There > was a big todo about gem dealers calling these items Moldavite , and > the pressure on them to dis-associate them from that name has been > great. These particular glassy mineral stones make much better cut > gemstones than the true Moldavite, but what they really are has yet to > be officially determined, as far as I know > > > > CharlyV > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of > Impactika_at_aol.com > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 1:33 AM > To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Another kind of 'wrong > > > > Hello members, > > What do you think of this one? > > http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2660158204 > and there are several others. > > Did any of you ever hear of these? Do you know the sellers? > BTW, I was just offered some "tektites" from Brazil, uncut, but same > color. Very pretty color by the way. > > Inquiring minds..............(you know) > > Anne M. Black > www. IMPACTIKA.com > IMPACTIKA_at_aol.com > IMCA #2356 > -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: eurocoin_at_smartgroups.com --------------010707060807050209020409 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <html> <head> </head> <body> <br> Hello, all,<br> <br> well, Tsavorite is a rare green member of the garnet-group, and at least<br> that is the fact, these have nothing to do with Tsavorites.<br> <br> Moldavite is a name for bohemian green tektites, so they are not these<br> eather.<br> <br> So the queston is, are they Tekties or something others. I have had some<br> raw pieces of this material, and at least the pieces I had, had not any<br> special characters of tektites. These are usually dumbled or cutted pieces,<br> so without the more wide lab tests it´s impossible to say anything sure<br> about the origin. To me they look just green obsidian. When I see the <br> first with typical characters of tektite, I may change my mind...;-<br> <br> The arears, they have been found have / have had quite a lot volcanic<br> activity, but not anything (yet), which tells about the impactite structures,<br> and so it looks to me much more possible, they are just volcanic origin glass,<br> and have nothing to do with impacts. But who knows...<br> <br> One way to check the origin is to buy some and get them analyzed in some<br> university lab, but I belive, it would be a waste of time and money.<br> <br> Anyway, if someone is selling tektites, the seller is in response about the <br> origin. This far I have not seen any serious data about this offered by the <br> the sellers.<br> <br> <br> take care,<br> <br> pekka<br> <br> <br> <br> Robert Szep wrote:<br> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:001901c38508$15d94920$a638fea9_at_cr709502a"> <meta content="Word.Document" name="ProgId"> <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1170" name="GENERATOR"> <meta content="Microsoft Word 10" name="Originator"> <link href="cid:filelist.xml_at_01C384B0.1E3D7300" rel="File-List"> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:OfficeDocumentSettings> <o:DoNotRelyOnCSS/> </o:OfficeDocumentSettings> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:SpellingState>Clean</w:SpellingState> <w:GrammarState>Clean</w:GrammarState> <w:DocumentKind>DocumentEmail</w:DocumentKind> <w:EnvelopeVis/> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> <style>_at_font-face { font-family: Tahoma; } _at_page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin: .5in; mso-footer-margin: .5in; mso-paper-source: 0; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } SPAN.M soHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-style-type: personal-reply; mso-style-noshow: yes; mso-ansi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial } SPAN.SpellE { mso-style-name: ""; mso-spl-e: yes } SPAN.GramE { mso-style-name: ""; mso-gram-e: yes } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } </style><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} </style> <![endif]--> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Hello Charles & list, </font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">I too am interested in learning more about these mystery-shrouded Tsavorites that are being compared to and associated with Moldavites. By being mined from deep in the earth, man-made glass can be ruled-out as a verdict regarding what they are. </font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">You refer to them as glassy mineral stones and yes they do make better cut gem stones than true Moldavite but somebody somewhere must have figured out whether this is indeed a newly discovered variety of tektite or a non-impact related gem or mineral. Hopefully others on this list may be able to shed a little more light on Tsavorites or pass-along a few pearls of wisdom on the general topic.</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Some scientific testing of Tsavorite material needs to be conducted. </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Plenty of people would be eager to know the results. </font></div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Szep, over & out... </font></div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: none; "> ----- Original Message ----- <div style="background-color: rgb(228,228,228); background-image: none; background-repeat: repeat; background-attachment: scroll; -x-background-x-position: 0%; -x-background-y-position: 0%; "><b> From:</b><a title="cviau_at_beld.net" href="mailto:cviau@beld.net">Charles R. Viau</a> </div> <div><b>To:</b><a title="Impactika_at_aol.com" href="mailto:Impactika@aol.com"> Impactika_at_aol.com</a> ; <a title="meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com" href="mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com"> meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com</a> </div> <div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 27, 2003 4:30 AM</div> <div><b>Subject:</b> RE: [meteorite-list] Another kind of 'wrong</div> </div> <div><br> </div> <div class="Section1"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt: 12.0pt"><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; "> Well, at least they did not call them <span class="SpellE">Moldavite</span> (only </span></font>Czech)<font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; "> , as most mineral dealerships do. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> These particular types are mined from deep in the earth (<span class="SpellE"> tsavorite</span>,</span></font> Tanzanian<font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; "> ), and the jury is out as to what impact they could be related to if they are indeed tektites. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>There was a big <span class="SpellE">todo</span> about gem dealers calling these items <span class="SpellE"><span class="GramE">Moldavite</span></span><span class="GramE"> ,</span> and the pressure on them to <span class="SpellE">dis</span>-associate them from that name has been great.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> These particular glassy mineral stones make much better cut gemstones than the true <span class="SpellE">Moldavite</span>, but what they really are has yet to be officially determined, as far as I know<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt: 12.0pt"><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt: 12.0pt"><span class="SpellE"><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; "> CharlyV</span></font></span><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; "><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "> -----Original Message-----<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list-admin@meteoritecentral.com</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com">mailto:meteorite-list-admin@meteoritecentral.com</a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold; "> On Behalf Of </span></b><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Impactika_at_aol.com">Impactika@aol.com</a><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 26, 2003 1:33 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com</a><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b> [meteorite-list] Another kind of 'wrong</span></font></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; "><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> Hello members, <br> <br> What do you think of this one? <br> <br> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2660158204">http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2660158204</a> <br> and there are several others. <br> <br> Did any of you ever hear of these? Do you know the sellers? <br> BTW, I was just offered some "tektites" from Brazil, uncut, but same color. Very pretty color by the way. <br> <br> Inquiring minds..............(you know) <br> <br> Anne M. Black <br> www. IMPACTIKA.com <br> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:IMPACTIKA_at_aol.com">IMPACTIKA@aol.com</a> <br> IMCA #2356</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </blockquote> <br> <pre class="moz-signature" cols="$mailwrapcol">-- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin">http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin</a> Group Email Address: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:eurocoin_at_smartgroups.com">eurocoin@smartgroups.com</a> </pre> <br> </body> </html> --------------010707060807050209020409--Received on Sat 27 Sep 2003 11:41:38 AM PDT |
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