[meteorite-list] Cold hunting question

From: joseph_town_at_att.net <joseph_town_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:29:54 2004
Message-ID: <20030913034944.AE7CE535C4_at_pairlist.net>

Tom,

This is the suburbs. There is no land to manage other than the average front
lawn. There are a lot of dogs that I might take issue with though...

Bill
> Hello List, This is related to meteorites only in getting permission of land
> owners for use of their property. This is just a lesson in being honest!
> My older brother and I were scouting deer to hunt. We saw the biggest,
> record breaking buck we had ever seen leaving BLM land heading towards a
> large cattle ranch. We drove ahead and found the ranch house about a mile
> down a dirt driveway, we where accompanied the entire way by a dog. I went
> up to the house while my brother waited in the car. I asked the owner for
> permission to look and hunt the buck we had seen. He happily agreed. This
> guy was the nicest older gentleman you would ever want to meet. Then, one
> of the strangest things that ever happened to me happened. The old man's dog
> was old and clearly suffering bad! The land owner said he needed to put the
> poor old dog out of it's misery, but did not have the heart. He asked if I
> would do "the deed" for him!!!! I could not refuse, even though I love
> dogs, but love for this dog would be putting it out of it's misery! So,
> being the smart a _ _ I am, when I went back to the car and told my brother
> what a jerk this guy was. I went on ranting and raving about his attitude!
> The old dog was following us back up the driveway. I told my brother to pull
> over and I grabbed my gun and shot the poor old dog. My brother was in
> shock!!! I was leaning out the window laughing as hard as I ever laughed.
> But to my chagrin, I heard a gun shot and my brother yelled at me to get
> back in the car because he just got one of the jerks cows!!!
>
> BE HONEST, it will keep you out of trouble!!!!
>
> Thanks, Tom
> Peregrineflier <><
> The proudest member of the IMCA 6168
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Freeman <dfreeman_at_fascination.com>
> To: <joseph_town_at_att.net>
> Cc: Marcia Swanson <MJSOfArc_at_webtv.net>;
> <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 7:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cold hunting question
>
>
> > Dear Bill, Marcia, List;
> > I would like to add to the thread a bit more. I found my meteorite on
> > public land. It was on a checkerboard mixed with Anadarko (company that
> > owns the land that the Union Pacific Railroad was granted to them in
> > 1865 to encourage RR development), there are also private land parcels
> > very near by, and a great big old interstate system which the federal
> > government owns but the state of Wyoming maintains the surface of the
> > ground on. All of this is with in 1/2 mile of my find. My GPS and map
> > skills led me to believe it was located on one property, the maps were
> > in error by a hundred yards, it was truly on BLM lands, and the long
> > story made short is that the integrity of the finder is truly the big
> > question. I could have SAID that I found it about anywhere, including
> > my own back yard 10 miles away from the real location and no one would
> > know the difference. I have integrity, and would "do the right thing"
> > right down to inniating contact four years ago with all of the major
> > land owners asking advance permission to hunt. One very major private
> > land owner asked for 10% of any profits from my searching, and I have
> > unlimited access to about a million acres, sealed with a good old
> > fashioned hand shake. The second private land owner says hunt his lands
> > for free, keep all that I find, and remember him if I find a Mars, or
> > Moon rock. Other parties have eluded to hunt all that I want and
> > contact them if I find a million dollar rock but not to bother them with
> > "ordinary meteorites"; the paperwork would cost the company a number of
> > thousand of dollars to get started.
> > I can not stress enough the importance of contacting the land owner
> > early, in a very polite and honest way, share information, offer your
> > wisdom, honesty, sincerity, and the road to hunting meteorites is very
> > rewarding, especially knowing that you are genuinely welcomed to
> > trespass because you were honest and on the front end...instead of the
> > wrong end of a boot due to not contacting the land owner. Law
> > enforcement frowns out here when they have to come out and arrest
> > trespassers. Fines for trespass locally can be a few hundred dollars
> > and forfeiture of any finds, or future ability to hunt those properties
> > or friends of the property owners that hear about that "no good low down
> > scoundrel trespasser". Such is the West.
> > Hope I have offered some "western" insight.
> > Best,
> > Dave Freeman
> > Successful meteorite hunter, and honest story teller.
> >
> >
> > joseph_town_at_att.net wrote:
> >
> > >Hi Marcia,
> > >
> > >Property varies so much from one juristiction to another. Public domain
> has
> > >been outlined by the Supreme Court in cases of lost or discarded
> artifacts.
> > >The FBI felt the need to set these precidents so they could dig through
> trash
> > >on parkways for evidence in court. I read an old thread that said if I
> find
> > >it, it's going in my pocket and that's all the validation I need. I think
> > >that's the general rule although it may not sound appropriate.
> > >
> > >Bill Kieskowski
> > >
> > >>Hello Warren and List,
> > >>Warren your question about property locale ownership, brought to mind a
> > >>question of my own that I would appreciate an answer to, on or off-list,
> > >>by yourself or other list members.
> > >>I understand that when hunting on private property, you are supposed to
> > >>get (written?) permission. I know that different Countries have
> > >>different rules on whether or not a meteorite is property of finder or
> > >>confiscated by government, or percentage of it taken for identification
> > >>and record and display at museum, ect.
> > >>My questions are regarding meteorites found in USA. What EXACTLY are
> > >>the rules to guarentee that if you find one, say on public land ( State
> > >>Park, lakeshore, river-bed, dry-lake, abandoned gravil pit, ect.) you
> > >>can claim it without fear of confiscation, by State or Local
> > >>authorities? I know this was an issue with the F.P. that supposedly
> > >>"bounced" off the public sidewalk before hitting a home and was
> > >>confiscated by local authorities ( Sorry to bring that unfortunate issue
> > >>
> > >
> > >>up), and there have been other instances. Is it the amount of money (
> > >>it's worth) that determimes whether or not a counter-claim is laid on it
> > >>by local, state, or is it the classification of the fall or find that
> > >>again,makes it confiscatable? To be classed, especially if it were
> > >>something really significant, you do have to say where it was found
> > >>right ?
> > >>How does this work? When something is found on private property, after
> > >>having been given permission to look, what is the obligation of the
> > >>collector in regards to payment to land- owner, should a possible
> > >>meteorite, or a meteorite be found, or land owners right to
> > >>counterclaim pwnership rights? I would truly appreciate guideline
> > >>answers on some of these questions please, or reference reading
> > >>material? Thank-you and Best Regards, Marcie
> > >>
> > >
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