[meteorite-list] Junk in, Junk out, or "No-named Orphan Step Children need love too"
From: Walter Branch <branchw_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:28:22 2004 Message-ID: <004501c38b32$9c343a40$18c79f44_at_wbranch> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C38B11.15010880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Thomas, Well said! I remember my most prized "marble" from my childhood was a "steel = boulder" I found. I used to literally break everyone else's marbles = with my "big guy" and I was the terror of the neighborhood. It was many = years later when I learned that my "steel boulder" was actually a giant = ball bearing. Hope none of my former playmates are list members... -Walter ------------------------------------------ www.branchmeteorites.com Walter Branch, Ph.D. Branch Meteorites PO Box 60492 Savannah, GA 31420 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thomas Webb=20 To: David Freeman=20 Cc: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Junk in, Junk out, or "No-named Orphan = Step Children need love too" Hi Dave and others, This is neither here nor there but have any of you checked the price = of antique marbles lately?! =20 My opinion is that all meteorites (and marbles) have some value, some = more than others of course. Many of the same factors enter into it such = as rarity, quality, color, etc. I like my small slice of Governador = Valadares but visually and esthetically my NWA 869 slices are = standouts! I also like some of the rare sulphide marbles but really not = as much as the old "aggie" I used for a shooter as a boy. No one would = give me a dollar for it, but to me it has much value. So, let's treat all meteorites with the respect due them and most = importantly, each other. I don't think the new member, Bernd, really meant to convey what came = across to some list members, but the fact that it did, along with this = apology and clarification is an example of how this list can work for = the good of all. Dave, thanks for your post. My best, Thomas David Freeman <dfreeman_at_fascination.com> wrote: Dear List, Bernd, Dean Bessy; I feel the need to apologize for offering to another "collector" the = option of purchasing marbles as an alternative to buying even lessor = lessor-priced meteorites. I was wrong...at least in the eyes of one=20 (myself), well, maybe two. I seemed to feel that another list respondents use of the words=20 "cheap" and "junk" in referring to NWA's and his asking for what = seemed=20 to be an offer to purchase/offer "nothing" for "something" was a low = blow to the meteorite hunters and collectors of the world. If NWA's = are=20 continually looked upon by some as nothing less than clutter, why do = so=20 many in the hot deserts even go out to search? We have been blessed = as=20 collectors to have been provided with this abundance to our hobby = and=20 business. This attitude of "junk" and "cheap" is a blight to our = love=20 of ALL meteorites, regardless of origin or pedigree status. I see = the=20 term "inexpensively priced", or even "affordable run of the mill=20 meteorites" as not nearly as degrading. Is it the meteorite's choice in falling to hot sands or on a = southern=20 polar ice cap? What meteorite would wish to impact a car, or even a=20 house so it could be cherished more? Bah! If any meteorite is not = worth=20 it's value, then why ask for any value at all? I too love yard sales = but=20 would not insult a proprietor by offering to take something of value = for=20 nothing. I have, once coined the phrase "no-named orphan step child" in=20 reference to unclassified NWA's. At one time, I even publicly = endorsed=20 a self ban on purchasing any meteorite with out a real home until = more=20 field data could have the opportunity to be collected. Even stray=20 puppies need love and sustenance. The seemingly (and not true)=20 perception of the abundant / infinite NWA's with (dirt) "cheap" and=20 "junk" associations is not reality, and that perception is, and=20 continues to be, further pain in many circles. One day, in the = future,=20 those with a sence of humor will muse at this time and hopefully = have=20 pause for a chuckle (if they had purchased at fair value those = no-named=20 orphan step children, reasonable and affordably priced stellar = visitors=20 of the hot sand deserts). Indeed, some NWA's come in a number of=20 packages, some being under the value added title of "Lunar" and=20 "Martian" meteorites.=20 I would ask of those who would like to aquire NWA's and other hot=20 desert meteorites with less than debutante status to refrain from = asking=20 dealers publicly to supply them with a source for "cheap" and "junk" = anything, especially meteorites, despite their status...or in this = case,=20 lack of. Junk in, junk out I still do feel that those wanting to get "cheap" or "junk" anything = should alter their direction to collecting marbles as they have in = my=20 opinion, lost a few of their own somewhere along the way. A buyers willingness to actively participate in an honest and fair = value=20 market exchange directly reflects up on that persons integrity in = any=20 proposed transaction. Not only does the seller know the value of his wares but the reverse = is=20 true also, the buyer knows the value of what he wishes to purchase. Sincerely, Dave Freeman ______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C38B11.15010880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1226" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Thomas,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well said!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I remember my most prized "marble" from = my=20 childhood was a "steel boulder" I found. I used to literally = break=20 everyone else's marbles with my "big guy" and I was the terror of the=20 neighborhood. It was many years later when I learned that my = "steel=20 boulder" was actually a giant ball bearing.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hope none of my former playmates are = list=20 members...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-Walter</FONT></DIV> <DIV>------------------------------------------<BR><A=20 href=3D"http://www.branchmeteorites.com">www.branchmeteorites.com</A><BR>= Walter=20 Branch, Ph.D.<BR>Branch Meteorites<BR>PO Box 60492<BR>Savannah, GA = 31420</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dwebbth1_at_yahoo.com href=3D"mailto:webbth1@yahoo.com">Thomas = Webb</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Ddfreeman_at_fascination.com=20 href=3D"mailto:dfreeman_at_fascination.com">David Freeman</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20 title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor= itecentral.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 04, = 2003 3:12=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] = Junk in,=20 Junk out, or "No-named Orphan Step Children need love too"</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Hi Dave and others,</DIV> <DIV>This is neither here nor there but have any of you checked the = price of=20 antique marbles lately?! </DIV> <DIV>My opinion is that all meteorites (and marbles) have some value, = some=20 more than others of course. Many of the same factors enter into = it such=20 as rarity, quality, color, etc. I like my small slice of = Governador=20 Valadares but visually and esthetically my NWA 869 slices=20 are standouts! I also like some of the rare sulphide = marbles=20 but really not as much as the old "aggie" I used for a shooter as = a=20 boy. No one would give me a dollar for it, but to me = it has=20 much value.</DIV> <DIV>So, let's treat all meteorites with the respect due them and most = importantly, each other.</DIV> <DIV>I don't think the new member, Bernd, really meant to convey what = came=20 across to some list members, but the fact that it did, along with this = apology=20 and clarification is an example of how this list can work for the good = of=20 all.</DIV> <DIV>Dave, thanks for your post.</DIV> <DIV>My best,</DIV> <DIV>Thomas</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR><BR><B><I>David Freeman = <dfreeman_at_fascination.com></I></B>=20 wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dreplbq=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px = solid">Dear=20 List, Bernd, Dean Bessy;<BR>I feel the need to apologize for = offering to=20 another "collector" the <BR>option of purchasing marbles as an = alternative=20 to buying even lessor <BR>lessor-priced meteorites. I was wrong...at = least=20 in the eyes of one <BR>(myself), well, maybe two.<BR>I seemed to = feel that=20 another list respondents use of the words <BR>"cheap" and "junk" in=20 referring to NWA's and his asking for what seemed <BR>to be an offer = to=20 purchase/offer "nothing" for "something" was a low <BR>blow to the = meteorite=20 hunters and collectors of the world. If NWA's are <BR>continually = looked=20 upon by some as nothing less than clutter, why do so <BR>many in the = hot=20 deserts even go out to search? We have been blessed as = <BR>collectors to=20 have been provided with this abundance to our hobby and = <BR>business. This=20 attitude of "junk" and "cheap" is a blight to our love <BR>of ALL=20 meteorites, regardless of origin or pedigree status. I see the = <BR>term=20 "inexpensively priced", or even "affordable run of the mill = <BR>meteorites"=20 as not nearly as degrading.<BR>Is it the meteorite's choice in = falling to=20 hot sands or on a southern <BR>polar ice cap? What meteorite would = wish to=20 impact a car, or even a <BR>house so it could be cherished more? = Bah! If any=20 meteorite is not worth <BR>it's value, then why ask for any value at = all? I=20 too love yard sales but <BR>would not insult a proprietor by = offering to=20 take something of value for <BR>nothing.<BR><BR>I have, once coined = the=20 phrase "no-named orphan step child" in <BR>reference to unclassified = NWA's.=20 At one time, I even publicly endorsed <BR>a self ban on purchasing = any=20 meteorite with out a real home until more <BR>field data could have = the=20 opportunity to be collected. Even stray <BR>puppies need love and=20 sustenance. The seemingly (and not true) <BR>perception of the = abundant /=20 infinite NWA's with (dirt) "cheap" and <BR>"junk" associations is = not=20 reality, and that perception is, and <BR>continues to be, further = pain in=20 many circles. One day, in the future, <BR>those with a sence of = humor will=20 muse at this time and hopefully have <BR>pause for a chuckle (if = they had=20 purchased at fair value those no-named <BR>orphan step children, = reasonable=20 and affordably priced stellar visitors <BR>of the hot sand deserts). = Indeed,=20 some NWA's come in a number of <BR>packages, some being under the = value=20 added title of "Lunar" and <BR>"Martian" meteorites. <BR>I would ask = of=20 those who would like to aquire NWA's and other hot <BR>desert = meteorites=20 with less than debutante status to refrain from asking <BR>dealers = publicly=20 to supply them with a source for "cheap" and "junk" <BR>anything, = especially=20 meteorites, despite their status...or in this case, <BR>lack = of.<BR><BR>Junk=20 in, junk out<BR><BR>I still do feel that those wanting to get = "cheap" or=20 "junk" anything <BR>should alter their direction to collecting = marbles as=20 they have in my <BR>opinion, lost a few of their own somewhere along = the=20 way.<BR>A buyers willingness to actively participate in an honest = and fair=20 value <BR>market exchange directly reflects up on that persons = integrity in=20 any <BR>proposed transaction.<BR>Not only does the seller know the = value of=20 his wares but the reverse is <BR>true also, the buyer knows the = value of=20 what he wishes to purchase.<BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR>Dave=20 = Freeman<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>______________________________________________= <BR>Meteorite-list=20 mailing=20 = list<BR>Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com<BR>http://www.pairlist.net/ma= ilman/listinfo/meteorite-list</BLOCKQUOTE> <P> <HR SIZE=3D1> Do you Yahoo!?<BR><A=20 = href=3D"http://shopping.yahoo.com/?__yltc=3Ds%3A150000443%2Cd%3A22708228%= 2Cslk%3Atext%2Csec%3Amail">The=20 New Yahoo! 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