[meteorite-list] Junk in, Junk out, or "No-named Orphan Step Children need love too"

From: Walter Branch <branchw_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:28:22 2004
Message-ID: <004501c38b32$9c343a40$18c79f44_at_wbranch>

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Hi Thomas,

Well said!

I remember my most prized "marble" from my childhood was a "steel =
boulder" I found. I used to literally break everyone else's marbles =
with my "big guy" and I was the terror of the neighborhood. It was many =
years later when I learned that my "steel boulder" was actually a giant =
ball bearing.

Hope none of my former playmates are list members...

-Walter
------------------------------------------
www.branchmeteorites.com
Walter Branch, Ph.D.
Branch Meteorites
PO Box 60492
Savannah, GA 31420



  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Thomas Webb=20
  To: David Freeman=20
  Cc: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
  Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 3:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Junk in, Junk out, or "No-named Orphan =
Step Children need love too"


  Hi Dave and others,
  This is neither here nor there but have any of you checked the price =
of antique marbles lately?! =20
  My opinion is that all meteorites (and marbles) have some value, some =
more than others of course. Many of the same factors enter into it such =
as rarity, quality, color, etc. I like my small slice of Governador =
Valadares but visually and esthetically my NWA 869 slices are =
standouts! I also like some of the rare sulphide marbles but really not =
as much as the old "aggie" I used for a shooter as a boy. No one would =
give me a dollar for it, but to me it has much value.
  So, let's treat all meteorites with the respect due them and most =
importantly, each other.
  I don't think the new member, Bernd, really meant to convey what came =
across to some list members, but the fact that it did, along with this =
apology and clarification is an example of how this list can work for =
the good of all.
  Dave, thanks for your post.
  My best,
  Thomas





  David Freeman <dfreeman_at_fascination.com> wrote:
    Dear List, Bernd, Dean Bessy;
    I feel the need to apologize for offering to another "collector" the =

    option of purchasing marbles as an alternative to buying even lessor =

    lessor-priced meteorites. I was wrong...at least in the eyes of one=20
    (myself), well, maybe two.
    I seemed to feel that another list respondents use of the words=20
    "cheap" and "junk" in referring to NWA's and his asking for what =
seemed=20
    to be an offer to purchase/offer "nothing" for "something" was a low =

    blow to the meteorite hunters and collectors of the world. If NWA's =
are=20
    continually looked upon by some as nothing less than clutter, why do =
so=20
    many in the hot deserts even go out to search? We have been blessed =
as=20
    collectors to have been provided with this abundance to our hobby =
and=20
    business. This attitude of "junk" and "cheap" is a blight to our =
love=20
    of ALL meteorites, regardless of origin or pedigree status. I see =
the=20
    term "inexpensively priced", or even "affordable run of the mill=20
    meteorites" as not nearly as degrading.
    Is it the meteorite's choice in falling to hot sands or on a =
southern=20
    polar ice cap? What meteorite would wish to impact a car, or even a=20
    house so it could be cherished more? Bah! If any meteorite is not =
worth=20
    it's value, then why ask for any value at all? I too love yard sales =
but=20
    would not insult a proprietor by offering to take something of value =
for=20
    nothing.

    I have, once coined the phrase "no-named orphan step child" in=20
    reference to unclassified NWA's. At one time, I even publicly =
endorsed=20
    a self ban on purchasing any meteorite with out a real home until =
more=20
    field data could have the opportunity to be collected. Even stray=20
    puppies need love and sustenance. The seemingly (and not true)=20
    perception of the abundant / infinite NWA's with (dirt) "cheap" and=20
    "junk" associations is not reality, and that perception is, and=20
    continues to be, further pain in many circles. One day, in the =
future,=20
    those with a sence of humor will muse at this time and hopefully =
have=20
    pause for a chuckle (if they had purchased at fair value those =
no-named=20
    orphan step children, reasonable and affordably priced stellar =
visitors=20
    of the hot sand deserts). Indeed, some NWA's come in a number of=20
    packages, some being under the value added title of "Lunar" and=20
    "Martian" meteorites.=20
    I would ask of those who would like to aquire NWA's and other hot=20
    desert meteorites with less than debutante status to refrain from =
asking=20
    dealers publicly to supply them with a source for "cheap" and "junk" =

    anything, especially meteorites, despite their status...or in this =
case,=20
    lack of.

    Junk in, junk out

    I still do feel that those wanting to get "cheap" or "junk" anything =

    should alter their direction to collecting marbles as they have in =
my=20
    opinion, lost a few of their own somewhere along the way.
    A buyers willingness to actively participate in an honest and fair =
value=20
    market exchange directly reflects up on that persons integrity in =
any=20
    proposed transaction.
    Not only does the seller know the value of his wares but the reverse =
is=20
    true also, the buyer knows the value of what he wishes to purchase.

    Sincerely,
    Dave Freeman




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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Thomas,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well said!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I remember my most prized "marble" from =
my=20
childhood was a "steel boulder" I found. &nbsp; I used to literally =
break=20
everyone else's marbles with my "big guy" and I was the terror of the=20
neighborhood.&nbsp; It was many years later when I learned that my =
"steel=20
boulder" was actually a giant ball bearing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hope none of my former playmates are =
list=20
members...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-Walter</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>------------------------------------------<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.branchmeteorites.com">www.branchmeteorites.com</A><BR>=
Walter=20
Branch, Ph.D.<BR>Branch Meteorites<BR>PO Box 60492<BR>Savannah, GA&nbsp; =

31420</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dwebbth1_at_yahoo.com href=3D"mailto:webbth1@yahoo.com">Thomas =
Webb</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Ddfreeman_at_fascination.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:dfreeman_at_fascination.com">David Freeman</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20
  title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor=
itecentral.com</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 04, =
2003 3:12=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] =
Junk in,=20
  Junk out, or "No-named Orphan Step Children need love too"</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Hi Dave and others,</DIV>
  <DIV>This is neither here nor there but have any of you checked the =
price of=20
  antique marbles lately?!&nbsp; </DIV>
  <DIV>My opinion is that all meteorites (and marbles) have some value, =
some=20
  more than others of course.&nbsp; Many of the same factors enter into =
it such=20
  as rarity, quality, color, etc.&nbsp; I like my small slice of =
Governador=20
  Valadares but visually and esthetically&nbsp;my NWA 869 slices=20
  are&nbsp;&nbsp;standouts!&nbsp; I also like some of the rare sulphide =
marbles=20
  but really not as much as the old "aggie" I used&nbsp;for a shooter as =
a=20
  boy.&nbsp; No one would&nbsp;give me a dollar for it,&nbsp;but to me =
it has=20
  much value.</DIV>
  <DIV>So, let's treat all meteorites with the respect due them and most =

  importantly, each other.</DIV>
  <DIV>I don't think the new member, Bernd, really meant to convey what =
came=20
  across to some list members, but the fact that it did, along with this =
apology=20
  and clarification is an example of how this list can work for the good =
of=20
  all.</DIV>
  <DIV>Dave, thanks for your post.</DIV>
  <DIV>My best,</DIV>
  <DIV>Thomas</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><BR><BR><B><I>David Freeman =
&lt;dfreeman_at_fascination.com&gt;</I></B>=20
  wrote:</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dreplbq=20
  style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px =
solid">Dear=20
    List, Bernd, Dean Bessy;<BR>I feel the need to apologize for =
offering to=20
    another "collector" the <BR>option of purchasing marbles as an =
alternative=20
    to buying even lessor <BR>lessor-priced meteorites. I was wrong...at =
least=20
    in the eyes of one <BR>(myself), well, maybe two.<BR>I seemed to =
feel that=20
    another list respondents use of the words <BR>"cheap" and "junk" in=20
    referring to NWA's and his asking for what seemed <BR>to be an offer =
to=20
    purchase/offer "nothing" for "something" was a low <BR>blow to the =
meteorite=20
    hunters and collectors of the world. If NWA's are <BR>continually =
looked=20
    upon by some as nothing less than clutter, why do so <BR>many in the =
hot=20
    deserts even go out to search? We have been blessed as =
<BR>collectors to=20
    have been provided with this abundance to our hobby and =
<BR>business. This=20
    attitude of "junk" and "cheap" is a blight to our love <BR>of ALL=20
    meteorites, regardless of origin or pedigree status. I see the =
<BR>term=20
    "inexpensively priced", or even "affordable run of the mill =
<BR>meteorites"=20
    as not nearly as degrading.<BR>Is it the meteorite's choice in =
falling to=20
    hot sands or on a southern <BR>polar ice cap? What meteorite would =
wish to=20
    impact a car, or even a <BR>house so it could be cherished more? =
Bah! If any=20
    meteorite is not worth <BR>it's value, then why ask for any value at =
all? I=20
    too love yard sales but <BR>would not insult a proprietor by =
offering to=20
    take something of value for <BR>nothing.<BR><BR>I have, once coined =
the=20
    phrase "no-named orphan step child" in <BR>reference to unclassified =
NWA's.=20
    At one time, I even publicly endorsed <BR>a self ban on purchasing =
any=20
    meteorite with out a real home until more <BR>field data could have =
the=20
    opportunity to be collected. Even stray <BR>puppies need love and=20
    sustenance. The seemingly (and not true) <BR>perception of the =
abundant /=20
    infinite NWA's with (dirt) "cheap" and <BR>"junk" associations is =
not=20
    reality, and that perception is, and <BR>continues to be, further =
pain in=20
    many circles. One day, in the future, <BR>those with a sence of =
humor will=20
    muse at this time and hopefully have <BR>pause for a chuckle (if =
they had=20
    purchased at fair value those no-named <BR>orphan step children, =
reasonable=20
    and affordably priced stellar visitors <BR>of the hot sand deserts). =
Indeed,=20
    some NWA's come in a number of <BR>packages, some being under the =
value=20
    added title of "Lunar" and <BR>"Martian" meteorites. <BR>I would ask =
of=20
    those who would like to aquire NWA's and other hot <BR>desert =
meteorites=20
    with less than debutante status to refrain from asking <BR>dealers =
publicly=20
    to supply them with a source for "cheap" and "junk" <BR>anything, =
especially=20
    meteorites, despite their status...or in this case, <BR>lack =
of.<BR><BR>Junk=20
    in, junk out<BR><BR>I still do feel that those wanting to get =
"cheap" or=20
    "junk" anything <BR>should alter their direction to collecting =
marbles as=20
    they have in my <BR>opinion, lost a few of their own somewhere along =
the=20
    way.<BR>A buyers willingness to actively participate in an honest =
and fair=20
    value <BR>market exchange directly reflects up on that persons =
integrity in=20
    any <BR>proposed transaction.<BR>Not only does the seller know the =
value of=20
    his wares but the reverse is <BR>true also, the buyer knows the =
value of=20
    what he wishes to purchase.<BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR>Dave=20
    =
Freeman<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>______________________________________________=
<BR>Meteorite-list=20
    mailing=20
    =
list<BR>Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com<BR>http://www.pairlist.net/ma=
ilman/listinfo/meteorite-list</BLOCKQUOTE>
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