[meteorite-list] Chixculub material testing
From: Tom aka James Knudson <knudson911_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:27:49 2004 Message-ID: <006c01c3aba5$e42b43a0$58c743d8_at_malcolm> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C3AB6B.365CAF00 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0069_01C3AB6B.365CAF00" ------=_NextPart_001_0069_01C3AB6B.365CAF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello List, I watched a discovery channel show a few years ago about the = Chixculub impact and the scientists did, what looked to me, like a very = thorough search for meteoric material on all the coastlines of the gulf = of Mexico and found absolutely no meteoric material anywhere. I do not = remember the name of that black layer that was deposited at the time, = but they searched that same layer for the meteoric material, the most = likely place to find it.=20 So in the real Proud Tom's opinion, I doubt the finder in question = found any!=20 Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier <>< Yea, that's right, The proudest member of the IMCA # 6168 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave Harris=20 To: meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net ; metlist=20 Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chixculub material testing Hi Mike, I have not seen this chap's website, merely the eBay ad and also = queried it with him. He did not come over as a major loon, and had at = least submitted the material for testing - I was more concerned about = your dogmatic statement that there was NO WAY any impactor could = POSSIBLY exist - which we know is untrue (cf. Lake Murray) and I just = think that although it is very unlikely to be part of the Chixculub = impactor, I for one would not just write someone off because of their = naivety. None of us are perfect in this workaday world and I just = thought he deserves a dignified treatment instead of being dissed. Let's face it, the Frass and BCC thing is obviously the products = of an unmedicated consciousness - just by virtue of their approach and = writing you can see that we possibly have an undiagnosed mental health = condition in them (not for us to judge, of course) and we also put up = with endless stuff from Yousef and his total arrogance.=20 I just thought it was a bit refreshing to see a more gentle = approach to the enquiry. If Dr Kring 'laughed' then I am surprised as = surely the key to being a scientist is to be open in one's approach, = fair in research, and accurate in reporting and as non-judgemental as = possible until all avenues have been explored. I am sure he said it was = 'unlikely' but I bet he'd laugh a lot more at Frass or BCC! I have absolutely no idea of the geological processes that have = occurred in the Chixculub basin over the past 65MY but I still would not = rule out that tectonic processes would 100% guarantee that the traces of = impactor would not be consolidated into the upper strata then weathered = out. Who knows? You are almost certainly right - but let's give him = some credit! very best dave IMCA #0092 -------Original Message------- From: Michael Farmer Date: Saturday, November 15, 2003 17:23:16 To: Dave Harris; metlist Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chixculub material testing Look, I already discussed this with Dr David Kring, who has been = working on Chixculub for the last 10 years, he laughed so hard he almost = choked. It is not that it is impossible for something to exist, it would = however be kilometers deep, not laying on Cancun's beaches. Just from = reading the story, you can tell who the freaks are from the serious people = trying to figure something out. If he had just asked for help instead of = putting up the glorious eBay site extolling his rare goodies, I would be = more supportive. Dave, do you support the Frass meteorite too? Just = from looking at the guy's site, there is no further need for studying that = stone. Mike Farmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Harris" <entropydave_at_ntlworld.com> To: "metlist" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 12:43 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Chixculub material testing HI, Mike F., can you explain why you are SO dogmatic that this = Chixculub material cannot not possibly be what it is because "It is = impossible that metalic material would survive millions of years, end of story"? Isn't that rather a strong statement? I seem to recall that = there are a number of sites where traces of impactors of about 110mya old = have been found. Why not let the academics provide the answer instead of shooting = from the hip all of the time? BTW I did not purchase any of this material, but I admired the = fact that Shomin at least is attempting to get a proper result rather than = like Mo Yousef continually insisting that it is meteoritic. You should be supporting him, not dissing him respectfully yours, of course dave IMCA #0092 ______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list .=20 =20 =20 ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here ------=_NextPart_001_0069_01C3AB6B.365CAF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" = name=3DGENERATOR><!--IncrdiXMLRemarkStart> <IncrdiX-Info> <X-FID>PLAINTXT-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000</X-FID> <X-FVER></X-FVER> <X-CNT>;</X-CNT> </IncrdiX-Info> <IncrdiXMLRemarkEnd--> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY background=3D"" bgColor=3D#ffffff scroll=3Dyes=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-POSITION: 0px 0px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: = 12pt; MARGIN: 5px 10px 10px"=20 X-FVER=3D"3.0" ORGYPOS=3D"0"> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hello List, I watched a discovery channel show a few = years ago=20 about the Chixculub impact and the scientists did, what looked to me, = like a=20 very thorough search for meteoric material on all the coastlines of the = gulf of=20 Mexico and found absolutely no meteoric material anywhere. I do not = remember the=20 name of that black layer that was deposited at the time, but they = searched that=20 same layer for the meteoric material, the most likely place to find it.=20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2> So in the real Proud Tom's opinion, I doubt = the finder=20 in question found any! </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Thanks, Tom<BR>Peregrineflier <><<BR>Yea, = that's=20 right,<BR>The proudest member of the IMCA # 6168</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A href=3D"mailto:entropydave_at_ntlworld.com" = title=3Dentropydave_at_ntlworld.com>Dave=20 Harris</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 href=3D"mailto:meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net"=20 title=3Dmeteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>meteoritehunter@comcast.net</A> ; = <A=20 href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com"=20 title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>metlist</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 15, = 2003 10:46=20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] = Chixculub=20 material testing</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <TABLE border=3D0 cellPadding=3D2 cellSpacing=3D0 = id=3DINCREDIMAINTABLE=20 width=3D"100%"><TBODY> <TR> <TD id=3DINCREDITEXTREGION=20 style=3D"CURSOR: auto; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" = width=3D"100%"> <DIV>Hi Mike,</DIV> <DIV>I have not seen this chap's website, merely the eBay ad and = also=20 queried it with him. He did not come over as a major = loon, =20 and had at least submitted the material for testing - I was more = concerned about your dogmatic statement that there was NO = WAY any=20 impactor could POSSIBLY exist - which we know is untrue (cf. = Lake=20 Murray) and I just think that although it is very unlikely to be = part of=20 the Chixculub impactor, I for one would not just write someone = off=20 because of their naivety. None of us are perfect in this = workaday=20 world and I just thought he deserves a dignified treatment = instead of=20 being dissed.</DIV> <DIV>Let's face it, the Frass and BCC thing is obviously the = products of=20 an unmedicated consciousness - just by virtue of their approach = and=20 writing you can see that we possibly have an undiagnosed mental = health=20 condition in them (not for us to judge, of course) and we also = put up=20 with endless stuff from Yousef and his total arrogance. </DIV> <DIV>I just thought it was a bit refreshing to see a more gentle = approach to the enquiry. If Dr Kring 'laughed' then I am = surprised=20 as surely the key to being a scientist is to be open in one's = approach,=20 fair in research, and accurate in reporting and as = non-judgemental as=20 possible until all avenues have been explored. I am sure = he said=20 it was 'unlikely' but I bet he'd laugh a lot more at Frass or = BCC!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have absolutely no idea of the geological processes that = have=20 occurred in the Chixculub basin over the past 65MY but I still = would not=20 rule out that tectonic processes would 100% guarantee that the = traces of=20 impactor would not be consolidated into the upper strata then = weathered=20 out.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Who knows? You are almost certainly right - but let's = give him=20 some credit!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>very best</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>dave</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>IMCA #0092</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV id=3DIncrediOriginalMessage><I>-------Original=20 Message-------</I></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV id=3Dreceivestrings> <DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>From:</B></I> <A=20 href=3D"mailto:meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net">Michael = Farmer</A></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Date:</B></I> = Saturday,=20 November 15, 2003 17:23:16</DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>To:</B></I> <A=20 href=3D"mailto:entropydave_at_ntlworld.com">Dave Harris</A>; <A=20 = href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">metlist</A></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Subject:</B></I> = Re:=20 [meteorite-list] Chixculub material testing</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Look, I already discussed this with Dr David Kring, who has = been=20 working on</DIV> <DIV>Chixculub for the last 10 years, he laughed so hard he = almost=20 choked. It is</DIV> <DIV>not that it is impossible for something to exist, it would = however=20 be</DIV> <DIV>kilometers deep, not laying on Cancun's beaches. Just from = reading=20 the</DIV> <DIV>story, you can tell who the freaks are from the serious = people=20 trying to</DIV> <DIV>figure something out. If he had just asked for help instead = of=20 putting up</DIV> <DIV>the glorious eBay site extolling his rare goodies, I would = be=20 more</DIV> <DIV>supportive. Dave, do you support the Frass meteorite too? = Just from=20 looking</DIV> <DIV>at the guy's site, there is no further need for studying = that=20 stone.</DIV> <DIV>Mike Farmer</DIV> <DIV>----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV>From: "Dave Harris" <<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:entropydave_at_ntlworld.com">entropydave@ntlworld.com</A>>= </DIV> <DIV>To: "metlist" <<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor= itecentral.com</A>></DIV> <DIV>Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 12:43 AM</DIV> <DIV>Subject: [meteorite-list] Chixculub material testing</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> HI,</DIV> <DIV>Mike F., can you explain why you are SO dogmatic that this=20 Chixculub</DIV> <DIV>material cannot not possibly be what it is because "It is=20 impossible that</DIV> <DIV>metalic material would survive millions of years, end of=20 story"?</DIV> <DIV>Isn't that rather a strong statement? I seem to recall that = there=20 are a</DIV> <DIV>number of sites where traces of impactors of about 110mya = old have=20 been</DIV> <DIV>found.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why not let the academics provide the answer instead of = shooting=20 from the</DIV> <DIV>hip all of the time?</DIV> <DIV>BTW I did not purchase any of this material, but I admired = the fact=20 that</DIV> <DIV>Shomin at least is attempting to get a proper result rather = than=20 like Mo</DIV> <DIV>Yousef continually insisting that it is meteoritic.</DIV> <DIV>You should be supporting him, not dissing him</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>respectfully yours, of course</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>dave</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>IMCA #0092</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>______________________________________________</DIV> <DIV>Meteorite-list mailing list</DIV> <DIV><A=20 = href=3D"mailto:Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">Meteorite-list@meteor= itecentral.com</A></DIV> <DIV><A=20 = href=3D"http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list">http://w= ww.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>.</DIV></TD></TR> <TR> <TD id=3DINCREDIFOOTER width=3D"100%"> <TABLE cellPadding=3D0 cellSpacing=3D0 width=3D"100%"> <TBODY> <TR> <TD width=3D"100%"></TD> <TD align=3Dmiddle id=3DINCREDISOUND vAlign=3Dbottom></TD> <TD align=3Dmiddle id=3DINCREDIANIM=20 = vAlign=3Dbottom></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><SPAN= =20 id=3DIncrediStamp><SPAN dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, = sans-serif"=20 size=3D2>____________________________________________________<BR><FONT = face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><A=20 = href=3D"http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=3D309&lang=3D9"><I= MG=20 align=3Dbaseline alt=3D"" border=3D0 hspace=3D0=20 src=3D"cid:006701c3aba5$e2b25f40$58c743d8_at_malcolm"></A> = <I>IncrediMail</I>=20 - <B>Email has finally evolved</B> - </FONT><A=20 = href=3D"http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=3D309&lang=3D9"><F= ONT=20 face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><B><U>Click=20 = Here</U></B></FONT></A></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_001_0069_01C3AB6B.365CAF00-- ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C3AB6B.365CAF00 Content-Type: image/gif; name="IMSTP.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <006701c3aba5$e2b25f40$58c743d8_at_malcolm> R0lGODlhFAAPALMIAP9gAM9gAM8vAM9gL/+QL5AvAGAvAP9gL////wAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAACH/C05FVFNDQVBFMi4wAwEAAAAh+QQJFAAIACwAAAAAFAAPAAAEVRDJSaudJuudrxlEKI6B URlCUYyjKpgYAKSgOBSCDEuGDKgrAtC3Q/R+hkPJEDgYCjpKr5A8WK9OaPFZwHoPqm3366VKyeRt E30tVVRscMHDqV/u+AgAIfkEBWQACAAsAAAAABQADwAABBIQyUmrvTjrzbv/YCiOZGmeaAQAIfkE CRQACAAsAgABABAADQAABEoQIUOrpXIOwrsPxiQUheeRAgUA49YNhbCqK1kS9grQhXGAhsDBUJgZ AL2Dcqkk7ogFpvRAokSn0p4PO6UIuUsQggSmFjKXdAgRAQAh+QQFCgAIACwAAAAAFAAPAAAEEhDJ Sau9OOvNu/9gKI5kaZ5oBAAh+QQJFAAIACwCAAEAEAANAAAEShAhQ6ulcg7Cuw/GJBSF55ECBQDj 1g2FsKorWRL2CtCFcYCGwMFQmBkAvYNyqSTuiAWm9ECiRKfSng87pQi5SxCCBKYWMpd0CBEBACH5 BAVkAAgALAAAAAAUAA8AAAQSEMlJq7046827/2AojmRpnmgEADs= ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C3AB6B.365CAF00-- Received on Sat 15 Nov 2003 01:25:45 PM PST |
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