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From: Dave Harris <entropydave_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:27:49 2004
Message-ID: <3FB6666E.000001.03608_at_D500>

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Hi Mike,=0D
I have not seen this chap's website, merely the eBay ad and also queried =
it
with him. He did not come over as a major loon, and had at least submit=
ted
the material for testing - I was more concerned about your dogmatic
statement that there was NO WAY any impactor could POSSIBLY exist - which=
we
know is untrue (cf. Lake Murray) and I just think that although it is ver=
y
unlikely to be part of the Chixculub impactor, I for one would not just
write someone off because of their naivety. None of us are perfect in th=
is
workaday world and I just thought he deserves a dignified treatment inste=
ad
of being dissed.=0D
Let's face it, the Frass and BCC thing is obviously the products of an
unmedicated consciousness - just by virtue of their approach and writing =
you
can see that we possibly have an undiagnosed mental health condition in t=
hem
(not for us to judge, of course) and we also put up with endless stuff fr=
om
Yousef and his total arrogance. =0D
I just thought it was a bit refreshing to see a more gentle approach to t=
he
enquiry. If Dr Kring 'laughed' then I am surprised as surely the key to
being a scientist is to be open in one's approach, fair in research, and
accurate in reporting and as non-judgemental as possible until all avenue=
s
have been explored. I am sure he said it was 'unlikely' but I bet he'd
laugh a lot more at Frass or BCC!=0D
=0D
I have absolutely no idea of the geological processes that have occurred =
in
the Chixculub basin over the past 65MY but I still would not rule out tha=
t
tectonic processes would 100% guarantee that the traces of impactor would
not be consolidated into the upper strata then weathered out.=0D
=0D
Who knows? You are almost certainly right - but let's give him some credi=
t!=0D
=0D
very best=0D
=0D
=0D
dave=0D
=0D
IMCA #0092=0D
=0D
-------Original Message-------=0D
=0D
From: Michael Farmer=0D
Date: Saturday, November 15, 2003 17:23:16=0D
To: Dave Harris; metlist=0D
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chixculub material testing=0D
=0D
Look, I already discussed this with Dr David Kring, who has been working =
on=0D
Chixculub for the last 10 years, he laughed so hard he almost choked. It =
is=0D
not that it is impossible for something to exist, it would however be=0D
kilometers deep, not laying on Cancun's beaches. Just from reading the=0D
story, you can tell who the freaks are from the serious people trying to=0D
figure something out. If he had just asked for help instead of putting up=
=0D
the glorious eBay site extolling his rare goodies, I would be more=0D
supportive. Dave, do you support the Frass meteorite too? Just from looki=
ng=0D
at the guy's site, there is no further need for studying that stone.=0D
Mike Farmer=0D
----- Original Message -----=0D
From: "Dave Harris" <entropydave_at_ntlworld.com>=0D
To: "metlist" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>=0D
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 12:43 AM=0D
Subject: [meteorite-list] Chixculub material testing=0D
=0D
=0D
    HI,=0D
Mike F., can you explain why you are SO dogmatic that this Chixculub=0D
material cannot not possibly be what it is because "It is impossible that=
=0D
metalic material would survive millions of years, end of story"?=0D
Isn't that rather a strong statement? I seem to recall that there are a=0D
number of sites where traces of impactors of about 110mya old have been=0D
found.=0D
=0D
Why not let the academics provide the answer instead of shooting from the=
=0D
hip all of the time?=0D
BTW I did not purchase any of this material, but I admired the fact that=0D
Shomin at least is attempting to get a proper result rather than like Mo=0D
Yousef continually insisting that it is meteoritic.=0D
You should be supporting him, not dissing him=0D
=0D
respectfully yours, of course=0D
=0D
=0D
=0D
dave=0D
=0D
IMCA #0092=0D
=0D
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<DIV>Hi Mike,</DIV>
<DIV>I have not seen this chap's website, merely the eBay ad and also que=
ried it with him.  He did not come over as a major loon,  and h=
ad at least submitted the material for testing - I was more concerned abo=
ut your dogmatic statement that there was NO WAY any impactor could =
POSSIBLY exist - which we know is untrue (cf. Lake Murray) and I just thi=
nk that although it is very unlikely to be part of the Chixculub impactor=
, I for one would not just write someone off because of their naivety.&nb=
sp; None of us are perfect in this workaday world and I just thought he d=
eserves a dignified treatment instead of being dissed.</DIV>
<DIV>Let's face it, the Frass and BCC thing is obviously the products of =
an unmedicated consciousness - just by virtue of their approach and writi=
ng you can see that we possibly have an undiagnosed mental health conditi=
on in them (not for us to judge, of course) and we also put up with endle=
ss stuff from Yousef and his total arrogance. </DIV>
<DIV>I just thought it was a bit refreshing to see a more gentle approach=
to the enquiry.  If Dr Kring 'laughed' then I am surprised as surel=
y the key to being a scientist is to be open in one's approach, fair in r=
esearch, and accurate in reporting and as non-judgemental as possible unt=
il all avenues have been explored.  I am sure he said it was 'unlike=
ly' but I bet he'd laugh a lot more at Frass or BCC!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have absolutely no idea of the geological processes that have occu=
rred in the Chixculub basin over the past 65MY but I still would not rule=
out that tectonic processes would 100% guarantee that the traces of impa=
ctor would not be consolidated into the upper strata then weathered out.<=
/DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Who knows? You are almost certainly right - but let's give him =
some credit!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>very best</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>dave</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>IMCA #0092</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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IV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>From:</B></I> <A href=3D"m=
ailto:meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net">Michael Farmer</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Date:</B></I> Saturday, No=
vember 15, 2003 17:23:16</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>To:</B></I> <A href=3D"mai=
lto:entropydave_at_ntlworld.com">Dave Harris</A>; <A href=3D"mailto:meteorit=
e-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">metlist</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Subject:</B></I> Re: [mete=
orite-list] Chixculub material testing</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Look, I already discussed this with Dr David Kring, who has been wor=
king on</DIV>
<DIV>Chixculub for the last 10 years, he laughed so hard he almost choked=
=2E It is</DIV>
<DIV>not that it is impossible for something to exist, it would however b=
e</DIV>
<DIV>kilometers deep, not laying on Cancun's beaches. Just from reading t=
he</DIV>
<DIV>story, you can tell who the freaks are from the serious people tryin=
g to</DIV>
<DIV>figure something out. If he had just asked for help instead of putti=
ng up</DIV>
<DIV>the glorious eBay site extolling his rare goodies, I would be more</=
DIV>
<DIV>supportive. Dave, do you support the Frass meteorite too? Just from =
looking</DIV>
<DIV>at the guy's site, there is no further need for studying that stone.=
</DIV>
<DIV>Mike Farmer</DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message -----</DIV>
<DIV>From: "Dave Harris" <<A href=3D"mailto:entropydave_at_ntlworld.com">=
entropydave_at_ntlworld.com</A>></DIV>
<DIV>To: "metlist" <<A href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.=
com">meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com</A>></DIV>
<DIV>Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 12:43 AM</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: [meteorite-list] Chixculub material testing</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>    HI,</DIV>
<DIV>Mike F., can you explain why you are SO dogmatic that this Chixculub=
</DIV>
<DIV>material cannot not possibly be what it is because "It is impossible=
that</DIV>
<DIV>metalic material would survive millions of years, end of story"?</DI=
V>
<DIV>Isn't that rather a strong statement? I seem to recall that there ar=
e a</DIV>
<DIV>number of sites where traces of impactors of about 110mya old have b=
een</DIV>
<DIV>found.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Why not let the academics provide the answer instead of shooting fro=
m the</DIV>
<DIV>hip all of the time?</DIV>
<DIV>BTW I did not purchase any of this material, but I admired the fact =
that</DIV>
<DIV>Shomin at least is attempting to get a proper result rather than lik=
e Mo</DIV>
<DIV>Yousef continually insisting that it is meteoritic.</DIV>
<DIV>You should be supporting him, not dissing him</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>respectfully yours, of course</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>dave</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>IMCA #0092</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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