[meteorite-list] weight descrepency
From: Michael Farmer <farmerm_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:25:44 2004 Message-ID: <00a801c322db$3b03e8c0$df30ef42_at_computer> Look, this is very simple, there is absolutely NO LOGIC in advertising a meteorite as "100 grams" but including the packing material weight as part of that equation. NO LOGIC, you do not offer a crystal as 100 grams but it only weighs 30 grams. He went to alot of trouble to weigh the specimen and put into a box to add up the total weight. That does not make the slightest since. I think that it is a very simple and idiotic scam, period! Mike Farmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pekka Savolainen" <pekka.savolainen_at_dlc.fi> To: "Michael Farmer" <farmerm_at_concentric.net> Cc: "Peter Marmet" <p.marmet_at_dplanet.ch>; "list" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 2:52 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] weight descrepency > > Hello, Michael and the list, > > well, to be honest, the negative feedbacks are correct in these cases. > But as I have told before, Carlos have been mainly in mineral-business, > over 30 years. Ok, itīs his problem, if he doesnīt know, how to sell > meteorites, but anyway, Iīll find it at least fair to tell him, how to do > that. If you take a look at his other auctions, meteorites are some 1 - 2% > he is selling. > > I have been also dealing and collecting minerals over 20 years, and the > rules are different than in meteorites. The weight of the specimen is not > important. As far as I remember, I havenīt sold any crystal-specimen by > weight. The important things in this sector are size and the visuality of > the specimen. > > Iīm not going to say, Carlos is doing right, he is wrong in this case, no > doubt. But if this is because of the lack of the knowledge in meteorites, > which are 1 - 2% of his deals, it looks fair to me, if some one speaking > better spanish than me, would make the rules with meteorites clear to him. > His small amounts of unclassified NWA:s donīt explose the market or make > the living of professional meteorite-dealers any harder, he is, and will > be a > mineral-dealer. I suppose, he has just bought some NWA:s from Morocco > with mineral specimens and is now selling them away. > > This is just my opinion worth of 2 cents again, but if we are very > aggressive, > it doesnīt bring any new collector to this hobby. Itīs allways possible, > if Carlos > learns to sell his NWA:s in a correct way, some one new in this field > will have > a spark from his not so excpensive ones, and will be later deeper in the > community. > > Itīs sure, there are allways people trying to cheat, but think this is > not a question in > this case. I have met hundreds of people, they are sure, their specimen > is a real met, > and I have to inform them nicely and gently, it is not, give them some > information of the mets, > some papers, perhaps a free sample of some NWA. And also give my time > for free, and show, > their interrest in meteorites is an impotrant thing. In this way theyīll > come back to > me also the next time, and perhaps one day with a real sample. If I tell > them, thee, hee, just > drop your hematite in the nearest trash-can, Iīm not interrested in you > or in your specimen, > it would be the last one, theyīll bring to me, and they feel, they have > been fools, when belive > the whole thing. I think, the role of collectors / dealers in meteorites > could be a bit more > educational. > > This thing with Carlos is not exactly the same, he is doing business in > a wrong way and > with wrong arguments, but I stronly belive, he doesnīt know that. He is > a spanish-speaking > old rock-hound, not a specialist in meteorites. So thatīs why it would > be highly apreciated, > if you, Mike, or some other on the list speaking better spanish than me, > would explain to Carlos, > which is the different between a mineral-sample and a meteorite-sample > and what is the correct > way to sell meteorites. If this doesnīt work, itīs time to inform eBay, > and thatīs it. Think this should > be a fair way to handle the case. > > take care, > > pekka > > > > Michael Farmer wrote: > > >Guys, the only way to take care of this is the give the guy negative > >feedbacks, if you dont do that, then you have no right to complain. That > >will save other people from making the same mistake. > >Mike Farmer > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Peter Marmet" <p.marmet_at_dplanet.ch> > >To: "list" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com> > >Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 1:18 AM > >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] weight descrepency > > > > > >> > >>Hi list, > >> > >>I have 2 meteorites that I bought on ebay from him: > >> > >>- 100g but it is only 55g! > >>- 68 g but it is only 35 g! > >> > >>That's fraud, isn't it! Seller should be removed from ebay! > >> > >>Peter M. > >> > >> > >> > >>______________________________________________ > >>Meteorite-list mailing list > >>Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com > >>http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> > > > > > > > >______________________________________________ > >Meteorite-list mailing list > >Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com > >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > -- > > > > > Pekka Savolainen > Jokiharjuntie 4 > FIN-71330 Rasala > FINLAND > > + 358 400 818 912 > > Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin > Group Email Address: eurocoin_at_smartgroups.com > > > > > ______________________________________________ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Received on Sun 25 May 2003 12:32:25 PM PDT |
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