[meteorite-list] weight descrepency

From: Tom aka James Knudson <knudson911_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:25:44 2004
Message-ID: <001801c322d7$54a1aaa0$90c943d8_at_malcolm>

Hello Pekka, Here in the US, we have to live by a law that basically says;
"ignorance of a law is no excuse for breaking the law." He may not have
known that he was stealing, but he was . If it were nothing more than human
error, it could be forgiven, but when he refuses to correct it, he is wrong
and should not be trusted. I think by now he knows what he is doing is
wrong, has he corrected it? If someone sells meteor-wrongs on ebay and
refuses to take the appropriate actions do you stand up for them? If a
buyer buys a meteor-wrong or buys a 100g meteorite that weighs 50g's, he did
not get what he paid for!
Thanks, Tom
The proudest member of the IMCA 6168
----- Original Message -----
From: Pekka Savolainen <pekka.savolainen_at_dlc.fi>
To: Michael Farmer <farmerm_at_concentric.net>
Cc: Peter Marmet <p.marmet_at_dplanet.ch>; list
<meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 2:52 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] weight descrepency


>
> Hello, Michael and the list,
>
> well, to be honest, the negative feedbacks are correct in these cases.
> But as I have told before, Carlos have been mainly in mineral-business,
> over 30 years. Ok, itīs his problem, if he doesnīt know, how to sell
> meteorites, but anyway, Iīll find it at least fair to tell him, how to do
> that. If you take a look at his other auctions, meteorites are some 1 - 2%
> he is selling.
>
> I have been also dealing and collecting minerals over 20 years, and the
> rules are different than in meteorites. The weight of the specimen is not
> important. As far as I remember, I havenīt sold any crystal-specimen by
> weight. The important things in this sector are size and the visuality of
> the specimen.
>
> Iīm not going to say, Carlos is doing right, he is wrong in this case, no
> doubt. But if this is because of the lack of the knowledge in meteorites,
> which are 1 - 2% of his deals, it looks fair to me, if some one speaking
> better spanish than me, would make the rules with meteorites clear to him.
> His small amounts of unclassified NWA:s donīt explose the market or make
> the living of professional meteorite-dealers any harder, he is, and will
> be a
> mineral-dealer. I suppose, he has just bought some NWA:s from Morocco
> with mineral specimens and is now selling them away.
>
> This is just my opinion worth of 2 cents again, but if we are very
> aggressive,
> it doesnīt bring any new collector to this hobby. Itīs allways possible,
> if Carlos
> learns to sell his NWA:s in a correct way, some one new in this field
> will have
> a spark from his not so excpensive ones, and will be later deeper in the
> community.
>
> Itīs sure, there are allways people trying to cheat, but think this is
> not a question in
> this case. I have met hundreds of people, they are sure, their specimen
> is a real met,
> and I have to inform them nicely and gently, it is not, give them some
> information of the mets,
> some papers, perhaps a free sample of some NWA. And also give my time
> for free, and show,
> their interrest in meteorites is an impotrant thing. In this way theyīll
> come back to
> me also the next time, and perhaps one day with a real sample. If I tell
> them, thee, hee, just
> drop your hematite in the nearest trash-can, Iīm not interrested in you
> or in your specimen,
> it would be the last one, theyīll bring to me, and they feel, they have
> been fools, when belive
> the whole thing. I think, the role of collectors / dealers in meteorites
> could be a bit more
> educational.
>
> This thing with Carlos is not exactly the same, he is doing business in
> a wrong way and
> with wrong arguments, but I stronly belive, he doesnīt know that. He is
> a spanish-speaking
> old rock-hound, not a specialist in meteorites. So thatīs why it would
> be highly apreciated,
> if you, Mike, or some other on the list speaking better spanish than me,
> would explain to Carlos,
> which is the different between a mineral-sample and a meteorite-sample
> and what is the correct
> way to sell meteorites. If this doesnīt work, itīs time to inform eBay,
> and thatīs it. Think this should
> be a fair way to handle the case.
>
> take care,
>
> pekka
>
>
>
> Michael Farmer wrote:
>
> >Guys, the only way to take care of this is the give the guy negative
> >feedbacks, if you dont do that, then you have no right to complain. That
> >will save other people from making the same mistake.
> >Mike Farmer
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Peter Marmet" <p.marmet_at_dplanet.ch>
> >To: "list" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 1:18 AM
> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] weight descrepency
> >
> >
> >>
> >>Hi list,
> >>
> >>I have 2 meteorites that I bought on ebay from him:
> >>
> >>- 100g but it is only 55g!
> >>- 68 g but it is only 35 g!
> >>
> >>That's fraud, isn't it! Seller should be removed from ebay!
> >>
> >>Peter M.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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