[meteorite-list] No Problemo

From: Michael L Blood <mlblood_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:22:44 2004
Message-ID: <BB2486A6.7DDB%mlblood_at_cox.net>

Hi Ken and Tom,
        Nothing either of you did was in any way offensive. I just
hit "Reply All" and you two were included, so, I addressed you,
as well as Matteo and the list, at the beginning of my comments.
        Best wishes, Michael


on 6/29/03 11:49 AM, Ken O'Neill at kenoneill_at_kenoneill.com wrote:
> Hi List,
>
> Tom wrote "Steve started a post called "dealers refunds". I do
> not think the buyer in Steve's post deserves a refund! Some how, some
> where, the thread got off topic and on to the subject with Matteo and an
> ebay deal of his. When I replied on this subject, I thought we were still on
> Steve's original thread."
>
> I'll echo this and would like to also add my intentions in posting were to
> add to the debate on the topic of refunding. My apologies if any offence was
> caused.
>
> Regards
>
> Ken O'Neill
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of Tom aka
> James Knudson
> Sent: 29 June 2003 18:31
> To: Charlie Devine; Michael L Blood
> Cc: Ken O'Neill; Meteorite-List (E-mail); M come Meteorite Meteorites
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY and DOUBLE GAUL
>
>
> Hello Charlie and list, Steve started a post called "dealers refunds". I do
> not think the buyer in Steve's post deserves a refund! Some how, some
> where, the thread got off topic and on to the subject with Matteo and an
> ebay deal of his. When I replied on this subject, I thought we were still on
> Steve's original thread. So Charlie, I want you to know that I has not
> talking about you in this thread at all. I am sorry if I offended you, I
> thought if I was offending anyone it was the guy asking Steve for a refund!
> : )
> Thanks, Tom
> The proudest member of the IMCA 6168
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charlie Devine <moonrock25_at_webtv.net>
> To: Michael L Blood <mlblood_at_cox.net>
> Cc: Tom aka James Knudson <knudson911_at_frontiernet.net>; Ken O'Neill
> <kenoneill_at_kenoneill.com>; Meteorite-List (E-mail)
> <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>; M come Meteorite Meteorites
> <mcomemeteorite2000_at_yahoo.it>
> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 3:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY and DOUBLE GAUL
>
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> On ebay I am shawomet, and I am the person whom Matteo is suggesting be
>> blackballed on ebay because I left him negative feedback.
>> I am very sorry that Matteo chose to air our differences on this list.
>> When he continued to lie to me, I told Matteo he was very lucky I was
>> keeping this between the 2 of us. Now he has decided to slam me in
>> public, so, to set the record straight, here is why Matteo is so upset
>> with me.
>>
>> It begins with the simple fact that Park Forest was a very special fall
>> in my opinion. My emphasis in collecting has always been more on the
>> history, and less on the science. So, Park Forest had it all in my
>> eyes. I knew I was reading about, on this list, a fall that would rank
>> as very historic. I resolved that I would try to acquire as many
>> samples of the various hammers or "house smashers" as I could.
>> It's 3 months later and I believe I did well in reaching my specific
>> goals.
>>
>> Then one day I saw this ebay auction just a few hours after Matteo
>> listed it:
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2178091504
>>
>> This listing gave the unmistakable impression that the seller was
>> offering a slice of the stone that hit the roof of the PF Firestation!
>> With a buy-now option of $55 for a 1g slice. I thought, "wow, what a
>> way to round out my PF hammer collection!". But I also thought "I
>> thought the PF town council had decided to sell this stone to a museum?"
>> I then did what I've never done before. Bid first ( or in this case
>> "buy-now" first ) and ask questions later. If this really were a piece
>> of the PF Firestation stone, the auction might end with a buy-now before
>> Matteo could answer my questions. So I ended the auction and
>> immediately wrote to Matteo. I told him I would send payment if he
>> could provide the evidence that this was indeed from the PF Firestation
>> hammer. His reply did not really address my question. He told me that
>> he got the slice from Michael Blood, who got it from the Hupes. He told
>> me he had a slice from this stone on his collection page. He did, and
>> it was captioned "Firestation stone".
>>
>> I decided to contact Michael Blood, but he was not around. I decided to
>> sleep on it. Lo and behold, when I awake I remember that Michael did
>> offer pieces of a stone that had fallen across the street from the
>> firestation. Matteo was mistaken. It must be a piece of this stone
>> that I had purchased. So I wrote to Matteo and told him he must be in
>> error, but being an honorable man, I would pay his ebay fees since I had
>> bid first and asked questions later. A small loss for me, no loss for
>> Matteo.
>>
>> Matteo's reply to my suggestion was that I could believe one of 2
>> things. I could believe that Michael Blood was a liar, or I could
>> believe the slice came from the stone that penetrated the roof of the
>> firestation. Whatever Matteo's reason for putting it that way, I "fell
>> for it" and sent my payment. A perfect example of being told what I
>> really wanted to hear and believing it I guess.
>>
>> Several days went bye when I noticed a post from Michael to the list.
>> Seeing that he was around I contacted him and discovered my memory had
>> been correct. Michael never offered this hammer on his pre-post list
>> and Michael never told Matteo that the pieces Matteo bought from him
>> came from the Firestation impactor. Michael also fwd me a copy of his
>> old PF pre-post. I fwd this pre-post to Matteo and presented it as
>> evidence that the specimen I purchased, and which was now enroute to me,
>> was not what Matteo claimed it was. Matteo's reply was that perhaps the
>> description "fell across the steet" from the firestation had been lost
>> in his emails with Michael. Matteo did not offer, as I expected he
>> would, and as I would have immediately done myself, a refund or other
>> form of adjustment that would make up for his misrepresentation of this
>> auction listing.
>>
>> When the item arrived, I left negative feedback.
>> That feedback simply stated the truth of the matter. I did not demand a
>> refund that I felt the seller should have offered me of his own free
>> will. I wrote it off as a gamble on my part, a gamble I had lost.
>>
>> After I had posted the feedback, Matteo contacted me and reminded me
>> that he had told me if I did not believe the piece was from the stone
>> that hit the firestation, I did not have to send payment. He has
>> repeated this claim on this list. Matteo, as I told you yesterday, I do
>> not like being lied to. I told you that I have saved all your emails.
>> And I state catagorically:
>> at no time did you tell me not to send payment.
>> Rather, you told me that if it were not from the stone that hit the
>> station, then Blood was a liar.
>> Since I don't believe that Michael is a liar, and it didn't dawn on me
>> that you might be misleading me, you got paid and I own a pretty
>> expensive slice of "ordinary" PF.
>>
>> In closing, I want to state, that I left Matteo negative feedback
>> because I felt I was lied to.
>> While the feedback was strongly worded, I'm not all bent out of shape
>> about what happened.
>> I accept responsibility for my "bid now, ask questions later" approach.
>> If Matteo had simply agreed to my offer to pay his ebay fees for the
>> item I purchased, there would be no negative feedback and I would'nt be
>> offering a long-winded expaination of a matter that Matteo should have
>> kept between the 2 of us. Again, I am sorry that this business is being
>> aired in public. I do hope this is the last word that anyone expects
>> from me on this matter.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Charlie
>>
>>
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