[meteorite-list] Wild Fire in Tucson

From: Steven Drummond <jesserd44_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:22:42 2004
Message-ID: <000b01c3384d$513d1260$6401a8c0_at_charterpipeline.net>

Hi List, I wrote a short poem on this subject (somewhat) some 8 or so
years ago . Here goes......................
       It's an obvious fact that we must believe
       We have only one Earth and we can't leave
       Too many people everywhere
       And all of us breathing our own foul air
       The quality of life diminishes with time
       As the people increase so does the crime.

Sad but true.

   Best Regards to all, Steven Drummond TUC :-)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Schoner" <steve_schoner_at_yahoo.com>
To: "John Gwilliam" <jkg_at_theriver.com>; "Mark Miconi" <mam602@cox.net>;
"Dave" <dfpens_at_comcast.net>
Cc: "ari machiz" <a_machiz_at_yahoo.com>; <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wild Fire in Tucson


> Right John, and if Phoenix doubles by 2017, then our
> water troubles here in Arizona will be catstrophic.
> No one seems to see what is going on. There are
> places up here in the high county where soil
> subsidence due to pumping from the aquifer are quite
> profound. There are huge cracks that run for miles as
> the soil slumps.
>
> And still the pumping goes on.
>
> Look at our man made lakes. Lake Powell and Meade...
> they are at disteriously low levels right now...
>
> And Phoenix is going to double in the next 15 years?
>
> Back to meteorites.
>
> Maybe a really big asteroid right now might just do
> humanity and the earth a big favor.
>
> (But hopefully one not so large as to wipe us all out)
>
> Humm... If it were to happen in my lifetime, what is
> left of it, I would be out in a lawn chair with a big
> bottle of Jack Daniels, a big expensive cigar, and be
> close enough to see the fireball, the blast, then be
> wiped away
>
> Steve Schoner/ams
>
>
> --- John Gwilliam <jkg_at_theriver.com> wrote:
> > If you put three or four fish in a ten gallon
> > aquarium, they will survive
> > quite well without experiencing too many problems.
> > Add three or four more
> > fish to that same ten gallons of water and all sorts
> > of problems like high
> > nitrate levels and algae soon follow. Pretty soon,
> > the water is so
> > polluted that the fish start dying off.
> >
> > The many problems our planet is now experiencing is
> > based on the same
> > principle. Quite simply, there are too many people
> > living in a limited
> > amount of space. Over population causes disease,
> > pollution, famine and
> > reduces the quality of life for everyone and every
> > thing that lives on Earth.
> >
> > It has been predicted that the Phoenix metro area
> > will double in size by
> > the year 2017. Land development eats up thousands
> > of acres of farmland
> > every year. Those acres that now contain concrete,
> > buildings and freeways
> > used to grow plants that produce oxygen. Yes,
> > Phoenix will grow and some
> > of the planners and developers will grow rich in the
> > process. All this will
> > be done with the same amount of water that we now
> > have available. The over
> > development problems in Southern California should
> > have taught us all
> > something important, but it seems no one is paying
> > attention.
> >
> > So, what is the answer to the problem? Less people
> > and less developement.
> >
> > Sorry about the soap box performance,
> >
> > John
> >
> > At 08:39 PM 6/20/03 -0700, Mark Miconi wrote:
> > >Actually Steve we are in a cycle. I just watched a
> > show on Cox Channel 9 and
> > >this drought is just one of many that occur in
> > cycles. Arizona has seen much
> > >worse droughts in the past. We are currently 60%
> > through this cycle.
> > >
> > >Our wildfire problem is due to very poor forest
> > management by humans who
> > >have traditionally tried to stop wildfires. Our
> > forests have been saved from
> > >small fires for so long that they are no clogged
> > with fuel that would have
> > >normally been cleaned up by small fires. Our tree
> > density is way past what
> > >it should be for healthy forests.
> > >
> > >Global warming remains an issue for the Earth as a
> > whole....but it has very
> > >little to do with what is happening here in
> > Arizona. If you review the
> > >climate data for Arizona and this region of the US
> > you will see a cyclic
> > >pattern that has existed since before the
> > industrial waste was a problem.
> > >The west has had droughts thoughout time, just ask
> > the native
> > >americans...the Anazazi probably suffered through
> > many and finally succumb
> > >to an extended drought.
> > >
> > >The really pressing issue in this state is our
> > water conservation. Arizona
> > >is the leading producer of Cotton in the US....that
> > is stupid, cotton is one
> > >of the highest water consuming plants there is to
> > produce any profit per
> > >acre. We have more golf courses in this state than
> > most any state in the
> > >country, why? There are 68 more golf courses that
> > have been approved to be
> > >built in Arizona....seems like alot of wasted water
> > to me and I can not
> > >remember a single program involving a Golf Course
> > that sends money into any
> > >community programs.
> > >
> > >People stand in the driveways every weekend using
> > water to wash their
> > >concrete driveway....that makes them stupid. Buy a
> > freaking broom.
> > >
> > >Lake Powell is at 55% of capacity and it will be
> > fifteen rainy years to
> > >refill it, Roosevelt Lake is at 33%, Arizona has
> > already received their
> > >allotment of the Colorado river water this year and
> > the other states are
> > >threatening lawsuits if we ask for more.
> > >
> > >What is needed to stop the wildfires is proper
> > forest management, clean up
> > >the undergrowth, let fire work like it is supposed
> > to as nature intended.
> > >Choked up forests like ours will never be healthy
> > until they are burned to a
> > >crisp, then nature will take over and they will
> > stay healthy until someone
> > >else interferes. Yellowstone is a classic example,
> > since that fire the
> > >forest is back on track and they have not had
> > another as bad since.
> > >
> > >It is too easy to blame our weather on Global
> > warming. I believe that global
> > >warming is already beyond fixing and is a far more
> > serious problem than
> > >anybody realizes, I just do not think we have begun
> > to feel any of the real
> > >effects of the problem yet. I also think when the
> > effects come that changes
> > >in our weather patterns will be the least of our
> > worries, I believe that a
> > >complete crash will occur in the earths climate,
> > possibly wiping out 90% of
> > >life. Then and only then will anyone listen.
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >
> > >Mark M.
> > >Phoenix AZ
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Steve Schoner <steve_schoner_at_yahoo.com>
> > >To: Dave <dfpens_at_comcast.net>
> > >Cc: ari machiz <a_machiz_at_yahoo.com>;
> > <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > >Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 5:04 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wild Fire in Tucson
> > >
> > >
> > > > Global Warming does not exist... That is what
> > the some
> > > > of the Bushites say.
> > > >
> > > > But I think the pattern is clear. Greater
> > global
> > > > temps mean drastic changes in weather, and we
> > have had
> > > > some very strange dry weather here in Arizona
> > over the
> > > > years.
> > > >
> > > > Had a tornado at Winslow the other day, and that
> > is a
> > > > very rare event here in the high country.
> > > >
> > > > Gee... too bad it was not headed for "Meteor
> > Crater"
> > > > visitor center...
> > > >
> > > > he he heeee.
> > > >
> > > > (No I should not wish that)
> > > >
> > > > Steve Schoner/ams
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Dave <dfpens_at_comcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > Steve:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sure wish we could send you folks some of the
> > rainy
> > > > > weather we have had
> > > > > in the Eastern Seaboard area since March. We
> > have
> > > > > had probably less
> > > > > than a dozen or two clear days since then. It
> > seems
> > > > > to rain
> > > > > constantly.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best wishes for some change in the weather
> > pattern
> > > > > for you folks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave Pensenstadler
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Steve Schoner <steve_schoner_at_yahoo.com>
> > > > > Date: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:37 pm
> > > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wild Fire in
> > Tucson
> > > > >
> > > > > > Let's hope we get some rain out here. I
> > have
> > > > > lived
> > > > > > her in Flagstaff for 33 years, and I have
> > never
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
>
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Received on Sat 21 Jun 2003 07:32:01 PM PDT