[meteorite-list] Wild Fire in Tucson

From: John Gwilliam <jkg_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:22:42 2004
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030621144537.009fb240_at_mail.theriver.com>

If you put three or four fish in a ten gallon aquarium, they will survive
quite well without experiencing too many problems. Add three or four more
fish to that same ten gallons of water and all sorts of problems like high
nitrate levels and algae soon follow. Pretty soon, the water is so
polluted that the fish start dying off.

The many problems our planet is now experiencing is based on the same
principle. Quite simply, there are too many people living in a limited
amount of space. Over population causes disease, pollution, famine and
reduces the quality of life for everyone and every thing that lives on Earth.

It has been predicted that the Phoenix metro area will double in size by
the year 2017. Land development eats up thousands of acres of farmland
every year. Those acres that now contain concrete, buildings and freeways
used to grow plants that produce oxygen. Yes, Phoenix will grow and some
of the planners and developers will grow rich in the process. All this will
be done with the same amount of water that we now have available. The over
development problems in Southern California should have taught us all
something important, but it seems no one is paying attention.

So, what is the answer to the problem? Less people and less developement.

Sorry about the soap box performance,

John

At 08:39 PM 6/20/03 -0700, Mark Miconi wrote:
>Actually Steve we are in a cycle. I just watched a show on Cox Channel 9 and
>this drought is just one of many that occur in cycles. Arizona has seen much
>worse droughts in the past. We are currently 60% through this cycle.
>
>Our wildfire problem is due to very poor forest management by humans who
>have traditionally tried to stop wildfires. Our forests have been saved from
>small fires for so long that they are no clogged with fuel that would have
>normally been cleaned up by small fires. Our tree density is way past what
>it should be for healthy forests.
>
>Global warming remains an issue for the Earth as a whole....but it has very
>little to do with what is happening here in Arizona. If you review the
>climate data for Arizona and this region of the US you will see a cyclic
>pattern that has existed since before the industrial waste was a problem.
>The west has had droughts thoughout time, just ask the native
>americans...the Anazazi probably suffered through many and finally succumb
>to an extended drought.
>
>The really pressing issue in this state is our water conservation. Arizona
>is the leading producer of Cotton in the US....that is stupid, cotton is one
>of the highest water consuming plants there is to produce any profit per
>acre. We have more golf courses in this state than most any state in the
>country, why? There are 68 more golf courses that have been approved to be
>built in Arizona....seems like alot of wasted water to me and I can not
>remember a single program involving a Golf Course that sends money into any
>community programs.
>
>People stand in the driveways every weekend using water to wash their
>concrete driveway....that makes them stupid. Buy a freaking broom.
>
>Lake Powell is at 55% of capacity and it will be fifteen rainy years to
>refill it, Roosevelt Lake is at 33%, Arizona has already received their
>allotment of the Colorado river water this year and the other states are
>threatening lawsuits if we ask for more.
>
>What is needed to stop the wildfires is proper forest management, clean up
>the undergrowth, let fire work like it is supposed to as nature intended.
>Choked up forests like ours will never be healthy until they are burned to a
>crisp, then nature will take over and they will stay healthy until someone
>else interferes. Yellowstone is a classic example, since that fire the
>forest is back on track and they have not had another as bad since.
>
>It is too easy to blame our weather on Global warming. I believe that global
>warming is already beyond fixing and is a far more serious problem than
>anybody realizes, I just do not think we have begun to feel any of the real
>effects of the problem yet. I also think when the effects come that changes
>in our weather patterns will be the least of our worries, I believe that a
>complete crash will occur in the earths climate, possibly wiping out 90% of
>life. Then and only then will anyone listen.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark M.
>Phoenix AZ
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Steve Schoner <steve_schoner_at_yahoo.com>
>To: Dave <dfpens_at_comcast.net>
>Cc: ari machiz <a_machiz_at_yahoo.com>; <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 5:04 PM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wild Fire in Tucson
>
>
> > Global Warming does not exist... That is what the some
> > of the Bushites say.
> >
> > But I think the pattern is clear. Greater global
> > temps mean drastic changes in weather, and we have had
> > some very strange dry weather here in Arizona over the
> > years.
> >
> > Had a tornado at Winslow the other day, and that is a
> > very rare event here in the high country.
> >
> > Gee... too bad it was not headed for "Meteor Crater"
> > visitor center...
> >
> > he he heeee.
> >
> > (No I should not wish that)
> >
> > Steve Schoner/ams
> >
> >
> > --- Dave <dfpens_at_comcast.net> wrote:
> > > Steve:
> > >
> > > Sure wish we could send you folks some of the rainy
> > > weather we have had
> > > in the Eastern Seaboard area since March. We have
> > > had probably less
> > > than a dozen or two clear days since then. It seems
> > > to rain
> > > constantly.
> > >
> > > Best wishes for some change in the weather pattern
> > > for you folks.
> > >
> > > Dave Pensenstadler
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Steve Schoner <steve_schoner_at_yahoo.com>
> > > Date: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:37 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wild Fire in Tucson
> > >
> > > > Let's hope we get some rain out here. I have
> > > lived
> > > > her in Flagstaff for 33 years, and I have never
> > > seen
> > > > it so dry. Trees are dying throughout the
> > > Coconino
> > > > National Forest, and the situation is more dire
> > > now
> > > > than last year when the fires were huge in this
> > > state.
> > > >
> > > > We must keep our eyes open, and ready to act at
> > > signs
> > > > of first smoke.
> > > >
> > > > Steve Schoner/ams
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- ari machiz <a_machiz_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > Hi list.
> > > > >
> > > > > Has anyone heard about our friends in Tucson? Is
> > > > > anyone losing their home? Are collections being
> > > > > lost?
> > > > >
> > > > > Just curious. I hope all is well.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ari
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ari Machiz
> > > > > TVBTITU
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