[meteorite-list] Need help naming new group
From: Howard Wu <freewu2000_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:22:40 2004 Message-ID: <20030618062210.42977.qmail_at_web9302.mail.yahoo.com> --0-795478059-1055917330=:42761 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Becase diogenites were once named Chladnite this name appears in much of the old literature. Therefore I would argue that to reuse his name would lead to some minor confusion between the two. If you want an old death historical figure naming this Olbersite after Wilhem Olbers, the discover of Vesta and other early asteroids, would be sensible choice. Also ironic tribute as it was because of Olbers that the outer planets are name after the gods and not named after their discoverers. Olber had gave his friend Gauss the priviledge to name this asteroid when other astronomers were selfishly fighting over the names on what are now known as Uranus and Neptune. Such virtue made for poetic nomenclature. And this will link his name to his discovery.Good for teaching science. However, I wish to propose a modern name for this new meteorite. For his contribution to the public education on meteorites and life time work in the field of meteorics, let's call this Nortonite. (For O. Richard Norton and his wife Dorothy.) I can't think of no one else who would feel more humbled, nor would give our community greater pleasure than to honored these gentlepersons. While other's may have been first to asking the question, "Where are the olivine diogenites", no one has ask this question louder or explain the significance more clearly as he has in his two books. "Rocks in Space" and "The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites" How many of us would even care about HED hadn't been for these two popular works. Howard Wu Adam Hupe <adamhupe_at_attbi.com> wrote: Dear List Members, It is our pleasure to announce NWA 1877, (provisional) the second so-called "Olivine Diogenite" in private hands. This makes number five including the three Antarctic finds. The significance of it being number five is that it now qualifies to be promoted to main group status if approved by the Nomenclature Committee. Scientists who are working on it agree that this ultra-rare class is suited in every way for a new full-blown group and are willing to propose this new group. Since O-Isotopes place this from the same parent body as the HED group, naming this new group would be a history-making event. A main group has never been added to the HED assemblage, only subgroups. This is not paired with NWA 1459, which was found in Iriqui and only weighed 49 grams. Weighing in at 312 grams, NWA 1877, (provisional) is the most olivine-rich yet found with ~50% of this mineral. The scientists who are working on it suggested coming up with a new name for this group since Diogenite, by definition, does not accurately describe this type of meteorite. The name "Olivine Diogenite" was coined by scientists working on the Antarctic finds for lack of a better term at the time. If these five were from Earth they would be called "Harzburgitic Peridotites" but you cannot use terrestrial terms to name meteorite types. This is where the List may be able to help. Scientists suggested that the meteoritic community, meaning the List, come up with a name for this group. We do not know what to call this proposed new group since none of them are from witnessed falls. It was suggested that it be named in honor of some famous pioneer in the field of meteoritics or some closely related discipline. We are open to suggestions and know that List members can be very creative. Who knows? you may be able to become a part of history by coming up with a suitable name. In case you have not guessed this will be the weekly rare material announcement but with some added flare because it is something anyone could get involved in if they wished. If you come up with a suitable name we will send you a 1-gram plus specimen free of charge. Wishing everybody the very best, Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 ______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger --0-795478059-1055917330=:42761 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Becase diogenites were once named Chladnite this name appears in much of the old literature. Therefore I would argue that to reuse his name would lead to some minor confusion between the two. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you want an old death historical figure naming this Olbersite after Wilhem Olbers, the discover of Vesta and other early asteroids, would be sensible choice. Also ironic tribute as it was because of Olbers that the outer planets are name after the gods and not named after their discoverers. Olber had gave his friend Gauss the priviledge to name this asteroid when other astronomers were selfishly fighting over the names on what are now known as Uranus and Neptune. Such virtue made for poetic nomenclature. And this will link his name to his discovery.Good for teaching science.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However, I wish to propose a modern name for this new meteorite. For his contribution to the public education on meteorites and life time work in the field of meteorics, let's call this Nortonite. (For O. Richard Norton and his wife Dorothy.) I can't think of no one else who would feel more humbled, nor would give our community greater pleasure than to honored these gentlepersons.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>While other's may have been first to asking the question, "Where are the olivine diogenites", no one has ask this question louder or explain the significance more clearly as he has in his two books. "Rocks in Space" and "The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites" How many of us would even care about HED hadn't been for these two popular works. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Howard Wu </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Adam Hupe <adamhupe_at_attbi.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Dear List Members,<BR><BR>It is our pleasure to announce NWA 1877, (provisional) the second so-called<BR>"Olivine Diogenite" in private hands. This makes number five including the<BR>three Antarctic finds. The significance of it being number five is that it<BR>now qualifies to be promoted to main group status if approved by the<BR>Nomenclature Committee. Scientists who are working on it agree that this<BR>ultra-rare class is suited in every way for a new full-blown group and are<BR>willing to propose this new group. Since O-Isotopes place this from the<BR>same parent body as the HED group, naming this new group would be a<BR>history-making event. A main group has never been added to the HED<BR>assemblage, only subgroups.<BR><BR>This is not paired with NWA 1459, which was found in Iriqui and only weighed<BR>49 grams. Weighing in at 312 grams, NWA 1877, (provisional) is the most<BR>olivine-rich yet found with ~50% of this mineral. The scientists who are<BR>working on it suggested coming up with a new name for this group since<BR>Diogenite, by definition, does not accurately describe this type of<BR>meteorite. The name "Olivine Diogenite" was coined by scientists working on<BR>the Antarctic finds for lack of a better term at the time. If these five<BR>were from Earth they would be called "Harzburgitic Peridotites" but you<BR>cannot use terrestrial terms to name meteorite types. This is where the<BR>List may be able to help. Scientists suggested that the meteoritic<BR>community, meaning the List, come up with a name for this group.<BR><BR>We do not know what to call this proposed new group since none of them are<BR>from witnessed falls. It was suggested that it be named in honor of some<BR>famous pioneer in the field of meteoritics or some closely related<BR>discipline. We are open to suggestions and know that List members can be<BR>very creative. Who knows? you may be able to become a part of history by<BR>coming up with a suitable name.<BR><BR>In case you have not guessed this will be the weekly rare material<BR>announcement but with some added flare because it is something anyone could<BR>get involved in if they wished. If you come up with a suitable name we<BR>will send you a 1-gram plus specimen free of charge.<BR><BR>Wishing everybody the very best,<BR><BR>Adam and Greg Hupe<BR>The Hupe Collection<BR>IMCA 2185<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>______________________________________________<BR>Meteorite-list mailing list<BR>Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com<BR>http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV><p><hr size=1><font face="Arial" size="2">Want to chat instantly with your online friends? <a href="http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline_messenger/*http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/"><b>Get the FREE Yahoo! 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