[meteorite-list] DOD Satellites Detect March 2003 Bolide Over Park Forest
From: Tom aka James Knudson <knudson911_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:21:01 2004 Message-ID: <00e601c345cf$fe3d8fa0$9bc843d8_at_malcolm> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E3_01C34595.50769C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Again, to back up my last email; "With such a steep entry angle the biggest pieces would not have to be = at the far end of the strewn field. The momentum that caries bigger = pieces further would not be a factor, they would be rather random." If you shoot the same rifle twice with two different bullet weights at = the same velocity at bull's-eye two hundred yards the heaver bullet will = hit higher than the smaller bullet. But, if instead you shoot the gun at = a target 25 yards away they will hit the same spot. If you shoot the gun = at the ground at a 70% angle, they will also hit the same spot.=20 Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom aka James Knudson=20 To: Adam Hupe ; meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DOD Satellites Detect March 2003 Bolide = Over Park Forest Hi List, If you think about it a second. : ) With such a steep entry = angle the biggest pieces would not have to be at the far end of the = strewn field. The momentum that caries bigger pieces further would not = be a factor, they would be rather random. Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Adam Hupe=20 To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DOD Satellites Detect March 2003 = Bolide Over Park Forest Hi Mike and List, I am repeating what I was told by a very informed source and I agree = it doesn't make sense. Since I have only seen three partial plots that = need to be merged I can not see the reversal effect that is being = authored by another List member, maybe he will comment. What I did = notice is three large clusters or concentrations on the plots which I = found very interesting. Now that the direction issue has been solved I = wish they would have reported the retardation altitude. All the best, =20 Adam =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Farmer=20 To: Adam Hupe ; meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DOD Satellites Detect March 2003 = Bolide Over Park Forest The Portales Valley and Johnstown Strewnfields were backwards.=20 I am confused about Park Forest though, the larger pieces were all = in the center to northern part of the strewnfield, if the firebass came = from the southwest to the northeast, would this not make it perfectly = correct?=20 Mike Farmer ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Adam Hupe=20 To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DOD Satellites Detect March 2003 = Bolide Over Park Forest Dear List Members, It looks like some are starting to realize the secret of the = Park Forest strewnfield, it is reversed. I think this has happened only = a couple times in history. I hinted at this in a June 15th post to the = list not wanting to take the element of surprise away from a person who = is authoring a paper on this very subject. All the best, Adam ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thetoprok_at_aol.com=20 To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DOD Satellites Detect March 2003 = Bolide Over Park Forest Hello Folks, This whole thing has me a bit perplexed for several reasons. = First, the stone my brother and I recovered had a distinct angle of = entry that I saw and documented, and passed on to Mr. Sipiera. That = trajectory definately indicated that the offending stone came in from = the S.E. and was heading in a N.W. direction. I determined this before = ever being subjected to other theoriesof direction of entry. I also = spoke with eyewitnesses in the days that followed and all backed up that = conclusion. On a second trip I met with a man named Atul Kumar, He isn't a = scientist but he has been gathering info on the strewn field for the = astronomy club that he is involved with. He has compiled quite a = list/map of stones that were recovered, including weights and locations = of recovery, and his map indicates the same S.E. to N.W. direction, with = the larger stones coming from the N.W. end of the strewn field.=20 Of course I can't argue with the DOD satellite observation, = but it sure is contradictory to what I've been thinking all along! The = satellite indicates an entry of exactly the opposite of what the strewn = field maps look like that I have seen, and my own recoveries, 70 gram = stone in Steger, 638gram stone in P.F. indicate at the very least a = South to North trajectory, (roughly). No matter how you slice it, based on the DOD satellite info, = the larger stones should be south of the small ones, and this is just = not the case. Is human error possible, between interpretation of the = satellite data and publication of said information? Curious minds want to know, Larry=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00E3_01C34595.50769C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hello Again, to back up my last email;</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>"With such a steep entry angle the biggest pieces = would not=20 have to be at the far end of the strewn field. The momentum that caries = bigger=20 pieces further would not be a factor, they would be rather = random."</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>If you shoot the same rifle twice with two = different=20 bullet weights at the same velocity at bull's-eye two hundred yards the = heaver=20 bullet will hit higher than the smaller bullet. But, if instead you = shoot the=20 gun at a target 25 yards away </FONT><FONT size=3D2>they will hit the = same spot.=20 If you shoot the gun at the ground at a 70% angle, they will also hit = the same=20 spot. </FONT></DIV> <DIV>Thanks, Tom<BR>Peregrineflier<BR>The proudest member of the IMCA = 6168</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A href=3D"mailto:knudson911_at_frontiernet.net"=20 title=3Dknudson911_at_frontiernet.net>Tom aka James Knudson</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = href=3D"mailto:adamhupe_at_comcast.net"=20 title=3Dadamhupe_at_comcast.net>Adam Hupe</A> ; <A=20 href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com"=20 = title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>meteorite-list@meteoritecentr= al.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 08, 2003 = 8:57=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] = DOD=20 Satellites Detect March 2003 Bolide Over Park Forest</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hi List, If you think about it a second. : ) With = such a=20 steep entry angle the biggest pieces would not have to be at the far = end of=20 the strewn field. The momentum that caries bigger pieces further would = not be=20 a factor, they would be rather random.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Thanks, Tom<BR>Peregrineflier<BR>The proudest member of the IMCA=20 6168</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A href=3D"mailto:adamhupe_at_comcast.net" = title=3Dadamhupe_at_comcast.net>Adam=20 Hupe</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com"=20 = title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>meteorite-list@meteoritecentr= al.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 08, 2003 = 8:41=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] = DOD=20 Satellites Detect March 2003 Bolide Over Park Forest</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Mike and List,</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am repeating what I was told by a = very=20 informed source and I agree it doesn't make sense. Since I = have only=20 seen three partial plots that need to be merged I can not see the = reversal=20 effect that is being authored by another List member, maybe he will=20 comment. What I did notice is three large clusters or=20 concentrations on the plots which I found very interesting. = Now that=20 the direction issue has been solved I wish they would have reported = the=20 retardation altitude.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All the best,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Adam</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A href=3D"mailto:farmerm_at_concentric.net"=20 title=3Dfarmerm_at_concentric.net>Michael Farmer</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 href=3D"mailto:adamhupe_at_comcast.net" = title=3Dadamhupe_at_comcast.net>Adam=20 Hupe</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com"=20 = title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>meteorite-list@meteoritecentr= al.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 08, = 2003 8:31=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: = [meteorite-list] DOD=20 Satellites Detect March 2003 Bolide Over Park Forest</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Portales Valley and Johnstown = Strewnfields were backwards. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am confused about Park Forest = though, the=20 larger pieces were all in the center to northern part of the = strewnfield,=20 if the firebass came from the southwest to the northeast, would = this not=20 make it perfectly correct? </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mike Farmer</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A href=3D"mailto:adamhupe_at_comcast.net" = title=3Dadamhupe_at_comcast.net>Adam=20 Hupe</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com"=20 = title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>meteorite-list@meteoritecentr= al.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 08, = 2003 8:17=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: = [meteorite-list] DOD=20 Satellites Detect March 2003 Bolide Over Park Forest</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear List Members,</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It looks like some are starting = to realize=20 the secret of the Park Forest strewnfield, it is reversed. = I think=20 this has happened only a couple times in history. I hinted = at this=20 in a June 15th post to the list not wanting to take the element = of=20 surprise away from a person who is authoring a paper on this = very=20 subject.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All the best,</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Adam</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A href=3D"mailto:Thetoprok_at_aol.com"=20 title=3DThetoprok_at_aol.com>Thetoprok@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com"=20 = title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>meteorite-list@meteoritecentr= al.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 08, = 2003 8:01=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: = [meteorite-list] DOD=20 Satellites Detect March 2003 Bolide Over Park Forest</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT face=3DArial = lang=3D0=20 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR><BR>Hello Folks,<BR><BR>This = whole thing=20 has me a bit perplexed for several reasons. First, the stone = my=20 brother and I recovered had a distinct angle of entry that I = saw and=20 documented, and passed on to Mr. Sipiera. That trajectory = definately=20 indicated that the offending stone came in from the S.E. and = was=20 heading in a N.W. direction. I determined this before ever = being=20 subjected to other theoriesof direction of entry. I also spoke = with=20 eyewitnesses in the days that followed and all backed up that=20 conclusion.<BR>On a second trip I met with a man named Atul = Kumar, He=20 isn't a scientist but he has been gathering info on the strewn = field=20 for the astronomy club that he is involved with. He has = compiled quite=20 a list/map of stones that were recovered, including weights = and=20 locations of recovery, and his map indicates the same S.E. to = N.W.=20 direction, with the larger stones coming from the N.W. end of = the=20 strewn field. <BR>Of course I can't argue with the DOD = satellite=20 observation, but it sure is contradictory to what I've been = thinking=20 all along! The satellite indicates an entry of exactly the = opposite of=20 what the strewn field maps look like that I have seen, and my = own=20 recoveries, 70 gram stone in Steger, 638gram stone in P.F. = indicate at=20 the very least a South to North trajectory, (roughly).<BR>No = matter=20 how you slice it, based on the DOD satellite info, the larger = stones=20 should be south of the small ones, and this is just not the=20 case.<BR>Is human error possible, between interpretation of = the=20 satellite data and publication of said information?<BR>Curious = minds=20 want to know,<BR>Larry</FONT>=20 = </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><= /BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_00E3_01C34595.50769C20-- Received on Wed 09 Jul 2003 12:10:09 AM PDT |
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