[meteorite-list] Meteorite Consumption
From: harlan trammell <skyrox_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:17:46 2004 Message-ID: <BAY1-F148g1S8y1Lv3N0002ca3d_at_hotmail.com> <html><div style='background-color:'><DIV class=RTE> <P>aren't we already made out of an exploded star anyway?<BR><BR></P></DIV> <DIV></DIV>>From: "Rob Wesel" <NAKHLADOG_at_COMCAST.NET> <DIV></DIV>>To: "Sterling K. Webb" <KELLY_at_BHIL.COM>,<METEORITE-LIST@METEORITECENTRAL.COM> <DIV></DIV>>Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Consumption <DIV></DIV>>Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:48:53 -0800 <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>I have a 40 gram vial of Camel Donga that is powdered to the consistency of <DIV></DIV>>corn starch (for, I believe, refraction studies) that I occasionally break <DIV></DIV>>out for eating straight or mixing up a cosmic cocktail. <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>The Moon...no. Vesta...yes. <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>I find it strangely satisfying to commune with the cosmos in such a way. <DIV></DIV>>Carcinogenesis aside, I recommend it to anyone to take a nibble and see if <DIV></DIV>>it doesn't evoke a greater sense of reverence. <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>I have enjoyed Mbale (do what the Romans do) and Zagami (at the suggestion <DIV></DIV>>of fellow list member and friend Dave Harris, who has also eaten Zagami <DIV></DIV>>along with his three sons for the sake of Mars appreciation) as well , but <DIV></DIV>>found them gritty...go figure. I can also speak for list member Mark <DIV></DIV>>Ferguson as we ate some Camel Donga together. And while we are at it, Dave <DIV></DIV>>Harris' infant son teethed on a Krinov labeled Sikhote-Alin. <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>We are made from stars to begin with, everything is, and we are what we eat <DIV></DIV>>so they say. <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>I will bring some Camel Donga to Tucson for anyone who wants a sprinkle. <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>Rob Wesel <DIV></DIV>>------------------ <DIV></DIV>>We are the music makers... <DIV></DIV>>and we are the dreamers of the dreams. <DIV></DIV>>Willy Wonka, 1971 <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>----- Original Message ----- <DIV></DIV>>From: "Sterling K. Webb" <KELLY_at_BHIL.COM> <DIV></DIV>>To: <METEORITE-LIST_at_METEORITECENTRAL.COM> <DIV></DIV>>Cc: <MEXICODOUG_at_AOL.COM>; <CVIAU@BELD.NET> <DIV></DIV>>Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:47 PM <DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Cutting Meteorites <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> > Hi, <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>> > We're talking here about the bodily incorporation of <DIV></DIV>> > extra-terrestial material, whether by aspiration or ingestion. On the <DIV></DIV>> > other hand, when Kim Stanley Robinson, the author of the Mars Trilogy <DIV></DIV>> > (Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars), finished the 12,000 manuscript pages <DIV></DIV>> > and sent them to the publisher for the final publication, he sat on the <DIV></DIV>> > roof of his house at dawn and ATE A ZAGAMI! Having metaphorically <DIV></DIV>> > digested Mars, he thought it appropriate to partially metabolize the <DIV></DIV>> > actual planet. (It was a small Zagami and it was powdered.) <DIV></DIV>> > OK, 'fess up! Has anybody on the List taken a tiny nibble of the <DIV></DIV>> > MOON? <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>> > Sterling K. Webb <DIV></DIV>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- <DIV></DIV>>----- <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>> > MexicoDoug_at_aol.com wrote: <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>> > > Bob - Not Chondrite Lung disease. Just Garden variety lung and nasal <DIV></DIV>> > > cancer. <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > CharlyV - First my geocities site has gremlins, and now Bob M. can't <DIV></DIV>> > > do his hobby in peace without fear of catching some fierce E.T. <DIV></DIV>> > > disease...you're a real hypochondrite, man !! <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > Just joking Charly, for what it's worth I'm a chemist, and CharlyV is <DIV></DIV>> > > right on (Peace). <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > According to the American EPA (see link), it is a linear response <DIV></DIV>> > > relating refinery dust (includes sulfides), if your breathe it <DIV></DIV>> > > chronically you will have one in 10,000 odds, at 0.0000004 grams per <DIV></DIV>> > > cubic meter of air. That is considered quite large by toxicologists <DIV></DIV>> > > (chemist usually don't read the instructions, so chemists aren't <DIV></DIV>> > > usually of much help...their life spans are on the average 10 years <DIV></DIV>> > > less, too, really, and lets not look at the last years of quality). <DIV></DIV>> > > So it is a recognized human carcinogen. <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > They further say it is a linear cause effect relationship and show <DIV></DIV>> > > some epidimological numbers. Which roughly translate that snorting <DIV></DIV>> > > 0.000146 grams per cubic meter of air for just one day of the year <DIV></DIV>> > > having the same 1 in 10,000 results. Or looked at another way: The <DIV></DIV>> > > average person breathes about 8 cubic meters of air per day. These <DIV></DIV>> > > odds are for 1.17 mg total breathed in in one day. At 0.117 gram per <DIV></DIV>> > > day of Ni dust, one day a year...you have 1 in a 100 chance. of <DIV></DIV>> > > getting these cancers. Or at least one person on this list. My <DIV></DIV>> > > extrapolations are not rigorous...but they shouldn't be unfounded, <DIV></DIV>> > > either. <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > Did Nininger live to be 99 years old? Goes to show that individual <DIV></DIV>> > > response and statistics are two separate issues...but a dust mask is <DIV></DIV>> > > definity a good idea. Enough people get colon cancer from eating <DIV></DIV>> > > barbecued and smoked foods, to make it believable that ingesting <DIV></DIV>> > > burnt out stardust has a lot of inorganic nasties besides just <DIV></DIV>> > > worrying about nickel. One could always drop cutting and polishing <DIV></DIV>> > > for rose-garden tending...or just not breath that interplanetary and <DIV></DIV>> > > intergalactic dust in. Its not the same stuff Tinkerbell blows magic <DIV></DIV>> > > spells with...even though its nice to let the imagination run... <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0272.htm <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > (this is the closest match the EPA has investigated.) <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > Saludos <DIV></DIV>> > > Doug Dawn <DIV></DIV>> > > Mexico <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > En un mensaje con fecha 12/12/2003 11:36:54 PM Mexico Standard Time, <DIV></DIV>> > > cviau_at_beld.net escribe: <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > >> Asunto: RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Cutting Meteorites <DIV></DIV>> > >> Fecha: 12/12/2003 11:36:54 PM Mexico Standard Time <DIV></DIV>> > >> De: cviau_at_beld.net <DIV></DIV>> > >> Para: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com <DIV></DIV>> > >> Enviado por Internet <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > >> Yes, but only for a dremmel. You pro's cut with big equipment and <DIV></DIV>> > >> use <DIV></DIV>> > >> liquid <DIV></DIV>> > >> Coolants that must trap all of the dust. A dremmel using a cutting <DIV></DIV>> > >> wheel <DIV></DIV>> > >> really puts out a lot of dust in the air. Not being a chemist, I do <DIV></DIV>> > >> think that airborne nickel dust might be poisonous... A dust mask <DIV></DIV>> > >> cannot <DIV></DIV>> > >> be a bad idea. <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > >> CharlyV <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > >> -----Original Message----- <DIV></DIV>> > >> From: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com <DIV></DIV>> > >> [mailto:meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bob <DIV></DIV>> > >> Martino <DIV></DIV>> > >> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:03 PM <DIV></DIV>> > >> To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com <DIV></DIV>> > >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Cutting Meteorites <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > >> CharlyV points out that one should always use a dust mask when <DIV></DIV>> > >> cutting <DIV></DIV>> > >> meteorites. <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > >> Great. As if my life wasn't complicated enough, now my hobby has a <DIV></DIV>> > >> new <DIV></DIV>> > >> hazard associated with it: <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > >> "Chondrite Lung Disease" <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > >> ----- <DIV></DIV>> > >> Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > >> Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! <DIV></DIV>> > >> http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ <DIV></DIV>> > >> . <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > >> >Subject: FW: [meteorite-list] Cutting Meteorites <DIV></DIV>> > >> > <DIV></DIV>> > >> >This response got lost somehow. re-posted here, likely an <DIV></DIV>> > >> attachment <DIV></DIV>> > >> in <DIV></DIV>> > >> >thread exceeded text size limit.. <DIV></DIV>> > >> > <DIV></DIV>> > >> >The Dremmel diamond blades are nice, but don't use them on irons or <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > >> even <DIV></DIV>> > >> >H chondrites. They just cannot take the punishment and your $15 or <DIV></DIV>> > >> $20 <DIV></DIV>> > >> >goes up in smoke in a few small slices. (even with lube). Believe <DIV></DIV>> > >> that <DIV></DIV>> > >> >the #420 cutoff wheels (tungsten carbide with quartz) used with <DIV></DIV>> > >> >paraffin work better. Try it yourself. You also get 20 for about <DIV></DIV>> > >> $4.00, <DIV></DIV>> > >> >good for a lot of cuts, and remember to use that candle. (oh. and <DIV></DIV>> > >> eye <DIV></DIV>> > >> >protection and a silk scarf over your nose/mouth or one of those <DIV></DIV>> > >> cheap <DIV></DIV>> > >> >construction dust masks.) <DIV></DIV>> > >> > <DIV></DIV>> > >> >CharlyV <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>> > ______________________________________________ <DIV></DIV>> > Meteorite-list mailing list <DIV></DIV>> > Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com <DIV></DIV>> > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>______________________________________________ <DIV></DIV>>Meteorite-list mailing list <DIV></DIV>>Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com <DIV></DIV>>http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list <DIV></DIV></div><br clear=all><hr> <a href="http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2740??PS=">Our best dial-up offer is back. 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