[meteorite-list] OT: BCC meteor(wrong) cabochons

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From: Charles Viau <cviau_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:17:38 2004
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So. why not just threaten this seller with potential Mail Fraud.
He is in the 4 digit bilking phase, and the government really frowns on
that.

Selling meteorite NOT'S on EBAY (minerals... aka rare minerals with
future values investment possibilities like gold, silver or gems , in
which meteorites come under that description) is not an EBAY problem.

It is like blaming a newspaper for someone who issues a classified ad
for silver ingots (when they are really silver painted lead) with the
purpose of bilking someone.

The issue becomes U.S. Government Mail Fraud, when someone attempts to
ship such false item to unsuspecting persons not only through the US
Post office, but by ANY RECOGNIZED COMMON CARRIER.

This is the threat that should be sent to the seller of such items, and
EBAY cannot hold anyone liable for providing such information to the
seller, if the seller does not provide reasonable evidence of the
legitimacy of these mineral items beforehand.

"Advise" like this to fraudulent seller as such, cannot be considered
harassment. Take it to the bank. EBAY is not the problem... crooks are
the problem, and always will be. Threaten them with something that is
more that an idle threat. You can report them directly via the US Mail
Fraud agency, right on the web, and they (unlike EBAY) will ALWAYS get
back to you looking for more information, not with a canned disclaimer.

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
Sharkkb8_at_aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 3:44 AM
To: ROBERT.D.MATSON_at_saic.com; meteorite-list-admin@meteoritecentral.com;
adamhupe_at_comcast.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: BCC meteor(wrong) cabochons

ROBERT.D.MATSON_at_saic.com writes:
Note the interesting way of wording their disclaimer...
<< Due to the exposure of scientific misconduct, BCC Meteorites does
not have a reciprocal professional working relationship with the
Meteoritical Society nor the Nomenclature Committee. >>

I know the MetSoc is reluctant to engage in highly visible hand-to-hand
combat with every nut that comes along, and rightly so, but surely
there's a line in the sand somewhere. The Meteoritical Society has
been insulted here, and not particularly subtly....nothing to get
litigious over certainly, but at least worthy of a LITTLE self-defense?
Jeff G.? Anything we can do to help?

Gregory

J. Gregory Wilson
2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918
Santa Monica, CA 90403

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So… why not just threaten this seller with potential Mail =
Fraud…<o:p></o:p>

He is in the 4 digit bilking phase, and the government really =
frowns on
that.<o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

Selling meteorite NOT'S on EBAY (minerals... aka rare minerals =
with
future values investment possibilities like gold, silver or gems , in =
which
meteorites come under that description) is not an EBAY =
problem.<o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

 It is like blaming =
a
newspaper for someone who issues a classified ad for silver ingots (when =
they
are really silver painted lead) with the purpose of bilking someone. =
<o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

The issue becomes U.S. Government Mail Fraud, when someone =
attempts to
ship such false item to unsuspecting persons not only through the US =
Post
office, but by ANY RECOGNIZED COMMON CARRIER. =
<o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

This is the threat that should be sent to the seller of such =
items, and
EBAY cannot hold anyone liable for providing such information to the =
seller, if
the seller does not provide reasonable evidence of the legitimacy of =
these
mineral items beforehand.<o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

"Advise" like this to fraudulent seller as such, =
cannot be
considered harassment. Take it to the bank. EBAY is not the problem... =
crooks
are the problem, and always will be. Threaten them with something that =
is more
that an idle threat. You can report them directly via the US Mail Fraud =
agency,
right on the web, and they (unlike EBAY) will ALWAYS get back to you =
looking
for more information, not with a canned =
disclaimer.<o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

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[mailto:meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Sharkkb8_at_aol.com 
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meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com; adamhupe@comcast.net;
meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com 
Subject: Re: =
[meteorite-list] OT:
BCC meteor(wrong) cabochons

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 <a
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Note the interesting way of =
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<<  Due to the =
exposure
of scientific misconduct, BCC Meteorites does not have a reciprocal
professional working relationship with the Meteoritical Society nor the
Nomenclature Committee. >><o:p></o:p></p=
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I know the MetSoc is =
reluctant to
engage in highly visible hand-to-hand combat with every nut that comes =
along,
and rightly so, but surely there's a line in the sand =
somewhere.  
The =
Meteoritical
Society has been insulted here, and not =
particularly
subtly....nothing to get litigious over certainly, but at least worthy =
of a
LITTLE self-defense?     Jeff G.?   
Anything we can do to help?<o:p></o:p>

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Gregory 
 
J. Gregory Wilson 
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Blvd.
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Monica</st1:City>, <st1:State>CA=
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