[meteorite-list] OT: BCC meteor(wrong) cabochons
From: Charles Viau <cviau_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:17:38 2004 Message-ID: <012501c3ba01$e6e6b9c0$1800a8c0_at_chupa> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0126_01C3B9D7.FE10B1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So. why not just threaten this seller with potential Mail Fraud. He is in the 4 digit bilking phase, and the government really frowns on that. Selling meteorite NOT'S on EBAY (minerals... aka rare minerals with future values investment possibilities like gold, silver or gems , in which meteorites come under that description) is not an EBAY problem. It is like blaming a newspaper for someone who issues a classified ad for silver ingots (when they are really silver painted lead) with the purpose of bilking someone. The issue becomes U.S. Government Mail Fraud, when someone attempts to ship such false item to unsuspecting persons not only through the US Post office, but by ANY RECOGNIZED COMMON CARRIER. This is the threat that should be sent to the seller of such items, and EBAY cannot hold anyone liable for providing such information to the seller, if the seller does not provide reasonable evidence of the legitimacy of these mineral items beforehand. "Advise" like this to fraudulent seller as such, cannot be considered harassment. Take it to the bank. EBAY is not the problem... crooks are the problem, and always will be. Threaten them with something that is more that an idle threat. You can report them directly via the US Mail Fraud agency, right on the web, and they (unlike EBAY) will ALWAYS get back to you looking for more information, not with a canned disclaimer. -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Sharkkb8_at_aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 3:44 AM To: ROBERT.D.MATSON_at_saic.com; meteorite-list-admin@meteoritecentral.com; adamhupe_at_comcast.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: BCC meteor(wrong) cabochons ROBERT.D.MATSON_at_saic.com writes: Note the interesting way of wording their disclaimer... << Due to the exposure of scientific misconduct, BCC Meteorites does not have a reciprocal professional working relationship with the Meteoritical Society nor the Nomenclature Committee. >> I know the MetSoc is reluctant to engage in highly visible hand-to-hand combat with every nut that comes along, and rightly so, but surely there's a line in the sand somewhere. The Meteoritical Society has been insulted here, and not particularly subtly....nothing to get litigious over certainly, but at least worthy of a LITTLE self-defense? Jeff G.? Anything we can do to help? Gregory J. 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Take it to the bank. EBAY is not the problem... = crooks are the problem, and always will be. Threaten them with something that = is more that an idle threat. You can report them directly via the US Mail Fraud = agency, right on the web, and they (unlike EBAY) will ALWAYS get back to you = looking for more information, not with a canned = disclaimer.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original = Message-----<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com] <b><span = style=3D'font-weight: bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Sharkkb8_at_aol.com<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> = </span></font><st1:date Month=3D"12" Day=3D"3" Year=3D"2003"><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Wednesday, December 03, = 2003</span></font></st1:date><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><st1:time Hour=3D"3" Minute=3D"44"><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma'>3:44 AM</span></font></st1:time><font size=3D2 = face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> = ROBERT.D.MATSON_at_saic.com; meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com; adamhupe@comcast.net; meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: = [meteorite-list] OT: BCC meteor(wrong) cabochons</span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 = face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div> <div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href=3D"mailto:ROBERT.D.MATSON_at_saic.com">ROBERT.D.MATSON@saic.com</a> = writes:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Note the interesting way of = wording their disclaimer... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </blockquote> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><em><i><font size=3D2 = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><< Due to the = exposure of scientific misconduct, BCC Meteorites does not have a reciprocal professional working relationship with the Meteoritical Society nor the Nomenclature Committee. >></span></font></i></em><font size=3D2 = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p= > </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <o:p></o:p></span></fo= nt></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I know the MetSoc is = reluctant to engage in highly visible hand-to-hand combat with every nut that comes = along, and rightly so, but surely there's a line in the sand = <u>somewhere</u>. <strong><b><font face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-family:Arial'>The = Meteoritical Society</span></font></b></strong> has been insulted here, and not = particularly subtly....nothing to get litigious over certainly, but at least worthy = of a LITTLE self-defense? Jeff G.? Anything we can do to help?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <o:p></o:p></span></fo= nt></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 = color=3Dred face=3D"Comic Sans MS" FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF PTSIZE=3D10><span = style=3D'font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Comic Sans = MS";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:red'>Gregory</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF PTSIZE=3D10><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><br> <br> J. Gregory Wilson<br> </span></font><st1:Street><st1:address><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>2118 Wilshire = Blvd. #918</span></font></st1:address></st1:Street><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><br> </span></font><st1:place><st1:City><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Santa = Monica</span></font></st1:City><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>, </span></font><st1:State><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack = face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>CA</span></font>= </st1:State><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'> </span></font><st1:PostalCode><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>90403</span></fo= nt></st1:PostalCode></st1:place><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p= > </div> </div> </body> </html> ------=_NextPart_000_0126_01C3B9D7.FE10B1C0-- Received on Wed 03 Dec 2003 07:59:36 PM PST |
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