FW: [meteorite-list] Roman meteorite impact forced Cristianity
From: michelle03_at_swissinfo.org <michelle03_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:16:29 2004 Message-ID: <3F3028FB00000227_at_fugu.sri.ch> --========/3F3028FB00000227/fugu.sri.ch Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here an abstract in english of the Santilli's manuscript I asked to the journal Antiquity. A meteorite impact crater in the Sirente mountains, central Abruzzo has recently been dated to the fourth/fifth century AD. The author shows that= this catastrophic event can be equated with a locally preserved legend wi= ch describes how local people saw a new star fall to earth during a pagan fe= stival. Their conversion to Cristianity was expeditiously effected... Roberto Santilli, Jens Ormo, Angelo Pio Rossi & Goro Komatsu, A catastrop= he remembered: a meteorite impact of the fifth century AD in the Abtuzzo, Ce= ntral Italy, Antiquity, vol. 77, n. 296 (June 2003) _______________________________________________________________________ Looking for a location in Switzerland? 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Viau" <cviau_at_beld.net> To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com> Subject: FW: [meteorite-list] Roman meteorite impact forced Cristianity Message-ID: <000001c35bc2$540395d0$1800a8c0_at_chupa> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com Errors-To: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com X-BeenThere: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:meteorite-list-request_at_meteoritecentral.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com> List-Subscribe: <http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list>, <mailto:meteorite-list-request_at_meteoritecentral.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Meteorite Discussion Forum <meteorite-list.meteoritecentral.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list>, <mailto:meteorite-list-request_at_meteoritecentral.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:27:48 -0400 X-MDRcpt-To: michelle03_at_swissinfo.org X-MDRemoteIP: 216.92.1.92 X-Return-Path: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.54 (1.174.2.17-2003-05-11-exp) X-Spam-Processed: md.swissinfo.org, Wed, 06 Aug 2003 04:28:30 +0200 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: michelle03_at_swissinfo.org Proving that computers have a way to go before they can reliably translate the more difficult languages... Your version sure does flow better. Thanks. -cv -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jose Campos Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 6:30 PM To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com Subject: Fw: [meteorite-list] Roman meteorite impact forced Cristianity ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jose Campos" <josecamposcomet_at_netcabo.pt> To: <meteorite-list-request_at_meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:48 PM Subject: Fw: [meteorite-list] Roman meteorite impact forced Cristianity > Hi List, > As a Portuguese, I am able to give you a more detailed translation of the > article: > > "It is interesting that, as much as in Sencinaro's legend as in > Constantino's vision, the event may have apparently occurred in the > afternoon, when the Sun began its decline. An epigraph found at the place of > the impact my lead > it to Constantino. But nowadays it's impossible to tell if the flaming cross > that the imperor saw ties up with the event of Sirente, although the > geographical proximity and its time span makes it a case for an interesting > possibility," - affirmed the Italian. As per Santilli, it is less than half > a century since scientists understood what > happens when a celestial object hits the Earth. The environmental and social > consequences from these impacts would depend on who observes them, and when. > The discovery of the Sirente's crater, - says the archeologist, - offers a > rare possibility for a direct connection between field observations and a > legend preserved during more than 15 centuries. > "The confusion about the choice of religion, at that period of time, may > have been affected by a natural spectacular phenomenon", - says Santilli. > (end of translation). > > I would like to add a few remarks: The article in Portuguese was written by > a brasilian newsmen, Claudio Angelo, for the brasilian newspaper "Folha de > S. Paulo (13/07/2003) and it is approximately 4 A4 size pages.The above > translation is the last page of the article. > The crater of Sirente was recently discovered by a team headed by a Sweddish > astrobiologist, Jens Orm=F6, Instituto Nacional de T=E9cnica = Aeroespacial, > Spain. > It is the first meteorite crater identified in Italy. Anyone interested in > more info on the article, please let me know. I have recently read an > article about this event. > Jos=E9 Campos > Portugal > josecamposcomet_at_netcabo.pt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" <mcomemeteorite2000_at_yahoo.it> > To: "Steve Schoner" <steve_schoner_at_yahoo.com>; "Charles R. Viau" > <cviau_at_beld.net>; <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 7:57 AM > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Roman meteorite impact forced Cristianity > > > > Hello > > > > Hard to find pieces of the meteorite, for the moment > > any piace is found, and is hard to go for research why > > is a protect area where it is not possible to dig > > without to have allowed > > regards > > > > Matteo > > > > > > > > --- Steve Schoner <steve_schoner_at_yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Let's get some field collectors out there and get > > > some > > > of Constantine's meteorite samples. > > > > > > Now that would be great. > > > > > > Steve Schoner/ams > > > > > > > > > --- "Charles R. Viau" <cviau_at_beld.net> wrote: > > > > The quote was as intriguing as the subject... > > > first > > > > thought it was > > > > Latin, then Italian, but it is Portuguese. > > > > Thanks for that bit of immortal history, it goes > > > in > > > > my permanent > > > > archives as "very interesting meteorite lore" > > > > -CharlyV IMCA 4351 > > > > > > > > Thus: > > > > -Translated: > > > > > > > > "It is interesting that, so much in the legend of > > > > Sencinaro I eat in the > > > > vision of Constantino, the event apparently have > > > > occurred in the period > > > > from the afternoon, when the Sun began decline it. > > > > > > > An ep=EDgrafe found > > > > nearby the localities of the impact can cause to > > > > Constantino. But today > > > > it is impossible himself say the flaming cross > > > that > > > > the imperador saw > > > > beats with the event of Sirente, although the > > > > geographical proximity and > > > > storm do of that an interesting possibility", > > > > affirmed the Italian. > > > > > > > > Second Santilli, there is less than environment > > > > century the scientists > > > > began understand it happens what when a celestial > > > > object reaches the > > > > Land. The social and environmental consequences > > > of > > > > those impacts would > > > > depend whose observes them, and when. The > > > discovery > > > > from the crater of > > > > Sirente, affirms the archeologist, offers a rare > > > > possibility of straight > > > > connection between observations of field and a > > > > legend preserved during > > > > more of 15 centuries. > > > > > > > > "To tangle about the choice from the religion in > > > > that period may have > > > > been affected by a spectacular natural > > > phenomenon", > > > > affirms Santilli. > > > > > > > > -end Translate > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com > > > > [mailto:meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > michelle03_at_swissinfo.org > > > > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 7:51 PM > > > > To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com > > > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Roman meteorite impact > > > > forced Cristianity > > > > > > > > A meteorite impact of the IV century AD might have > > > > converted Constantine > > > > and spread the expansion of Cristianity. > > > > > > > > The impact site is located in the Abruzzo > > > > (Italy)inside the Sirente > > > > Velino > > > > Regional Park, near Rome. > > > > > > > > Research has been carried out by the italian > > > > archaeologist Roberto > > > > Santilli > > > > with the support of a group of geologists. > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/ciencia/ult306u9576.shtml > > > > > > > > << > > > > > > > > "=C9 interessante que, tanto na lenda de Sencinaro > > > > como na vis=E3o de > > > > Constantino, > > > > o evento tenha aparentemente ocorrido no per=EDodo > > > da > > > > tarde, quando o Sol > > > > come=E7ava a declinar. Uma ep=EDgrafe encontrada perto > > > > do local do impacto > > > > pode > > > > levar a Constantino. Mas hoje =E9 imposs=EDvel dizer > > > se > > > > a cruz flamejante > > > > que > > > > o imperador viu bate com o evento de Sirente, > > > embora > > > > a proximidade > > > > geogr=E1fica > > > > e temporal fa=E7a disso uma possibilidade > > > > interessante", afirmou o > > > > italiano. > > > > > > > > Segundo Santilli, h=E1 menos de meio s=E9culo os > > > > cientistas come=E7aram a > > > > entender > > > > o que acontece quando um objeto celeste atinge a > > > > Terra. As consequ=EAncias > > > > ambientais e sociais desses impactos dependeriam > > > de > > > > quem os observa, e > > > > quando. > > > > A descoberta da cratera de Sirente, afirma o > > > > arque=F3logo, oferece uma > > > > possibilidade > > > > rara de conex=E3o direta entre observa=E7=F5es de campo > > > e > > > > uma lenda preservada > > > > durante mais de 15 s=E9culos. > > > > > > > > "A confus=E3o sobre a escolha da religi=E3o nesse > > > > per=EDodo pode ter sido > > > > afetada > > > > por um fen=F4meno natural espetacular", afirma > > > > Santilli. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > > Looking for a location in Switzerland? > > > > Want to discover thousands of points of interest? > > > > Go swissgeo: http://www.swissgeo.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > > Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com > > > > > > > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > > Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com > > > > > > > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! 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