[meteorite-list] Shirokovsky authenticity questions?

From: Adam Hupe <adamhupe_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:13:10 2004
Message-ID: <0bcf01c30c57$740cf480$b4dbe60c_at_attbi.com>

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Hi Gregory, Hello List,

This demonstrates the importance of O-isotope testing. In our travels =
we recovered several unknowns and only through O-isotopes could we =
determine if they were manmade, terrestrial or meteorites.

We recovered a stone with native iron in it and thought for sure it was =
a meteorite. Since it would have been fantastic we held off announcing =
it until the O-isotopes were completed. Luckily we did because it saved =
us the embarrassment of presenting a meteorite to the public only to =
have it turn out to be terrestrial. =20

On another occasion we thought we had recovered an extremely rare =
primitive achondrite. Further study proved it to be a recrystallized =
chondrite from the LL parent body. If we had sold any of this material =
before waiting for the O-isotope results as a primitive achondrite we =
would have owed a lot of people money. =20

On more than one occasion we were fooled by manmade objects with =
beautiful fusion crusts and textures. Through proper scientific study =
we were able to expose these fake meteorites and shared our findings =
with several dealers to make sure they were not burned. One dealer =
thought we were trying to prevent him from buying the material so that =
we could have it all to ourselves and bought some anyway. Needless to =
say he wasted several thousand dollars.

Sometimes the pressure is great to sell material before it is completely =
tested or a proper scientific abstract is submitted. If something turns =
out to be manmade or terrestrial and is sold to collectors as meteorites =
I feel the purchasers should be refunded in full. =20

By the way, we have heard some of this talk about Shirokovsky from well =
informed sources, as well. That is why we are being patient about =
purchasing any of it. We will wait for the O-isotope tests to be =
completed.=20


All the best,

Adam and Greg Hupe
IMCA 2185 =20

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Gregory, Hello List,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This demonstrates the importance of =
O-isotope=20
testing.&nbsp; In our travels we&nbsp;recovered several&nbsp;unknowns =
and only=20
through O-isotopes could we determine&nbsp;if they were manmade, =
terrestrial or=20
meteorites.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We recovered a stone with native iron =
in it and=20
thought&nbsp;for sure it was a meteorite.&nbsp; Since it would have been =

fantastic we held off&nbsp;announcing it until the O-isotopes were =
completed.=20
Luckily we did because it saved us the embarrassment of presenting a =
meteorite=20
to the public only to have it turn out to be=20
terrestrial.&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On another occasion we thought we had =
recovered an=20
extremely rare primitive achondrite.&nbsp; Further study proved it to be =
a=20
recrystallized chondrite from the LL parent body.&nbsp; If we had sold =
any of=20
this material before waiting for the O-isotope results as a primitive =
achondrite=20
we would have owed a lot of people money.&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On more than one occasion we were =
fooled by manmade=20
objects with beautiful fusion crusts and textures.&nbsp; Through proper=20
scientific study we were able to expose these fake meteorites and shared =
our=20
findings with several&nbsp;dealers to make sure they were not =
burned.&nbsp; One=20
dealer thought we were trying to prevent him from buying the material so =
that we=20
could have it all to ourselves and bought some anyway.&nbsp; Needless to =
say he=20
wasted several thousand dollars.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sometimes the pressure is great to sell =
material=20
before it is completely tested or a proper scientific abstract is=20
submitted.&nbsp; If something turns out to be manmade or terrestrial and =
is sold=20
to collectors as meteorites I&nbsp;feel the purchasers should be =
refunded in=20
full.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>By the way, we have heard some of this =
talk about=20
Shirokovsky from well informed sources, as well.&nbsp; That is why we =
are being=20
patient about purchasing any of it.&nbsp; We will wait for the O-isotope =
tests=20
to be completed.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All the best,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Adam and Greg Hupe</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>IMCA 2185&nbsp; =
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