[meteorite-list] New fall in Finland!

From: Pekka Savolainen <pekka.savolainen_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:13:10 2004
Message-ID: <3EAA77A7.8020804_at_dlc.fi>

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Hello, Frederic and the list,

We was contacted Johannes Kultima yesterday, and it seems,
the hole is not meteorite-origin, there are 2 layers of ice on
the lake, and the bottom layer of ice is intact.
No pieces was found on ice or between the layers. So the most
possible explanation is, the flood water between two ice layers
has been in high pressure and is erupted trough the weak upper layer
and made the hole.

Also the structure of the hole is not at all like any meteorite-made
I have seen. This kind of smaller holes are quite commmon here
in the spring-time, this one just happened to be a bigger one...

So, at the moment I´m 99% sure, this is a hoax. The "bolide" mentioned
in the news seems to be some brighter one from Lyrides. There were also
a brighter one sporadic one reported in the middle of Finland, but this was
too far from the Lake Pitusjärvi and also too small to be a dropper.

Mr. Kultima has taken several samples from the broken ice, and they´ll
be checked in the university of Helsinki next week by prof. Martti
Lehtinen´s
team. Anyway, also prof. Lehtinen´s opinion at the moment is, the hole
is made
by the flood water.

have a nice weekend,

pekka

Frederic Janik wrote:

> Hi Everyone. This was all over the news in here.
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> Have a nice week-end.
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> Frédéric Janik
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> http://ww2.yle.fi/pls/show/page?id=221951
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> Experts Look for Meteorite in Finnish Lapland
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> 25.04.2003, 20.27
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> A meteorite is believed to have come down in the far north-western
> "arm" of Finnish Lapland. A large hole appeared sometime between
> Monday and Wednesday in the ice of Lake Pitsusjärvi. On Tuesday a
> bright light was seen in the sky.
> <http://www.yle.fi/tvuutiset/uutiset/upics/pitsusjarvi2.jpg>
> <http://www.yle.fi/yle24/kuvat/tyhja2.gif>
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> According to Johannes Kultima, an expert at the Geophysical
> Observatory of Sodankylä, the flash and the hole may have been the
> result of a meteorite.
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> Another possible cause of such a hole could be flood water that got
> stuck between layers of ice.
>
> The hole in the ice is about three metres wide and seven metres long,
> and there is no radiation coming from it.
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> Researchers from the Sodankylä Observatory went to Pitsusjärvi to
> examine the site on Friday.
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> A total of 13 meteorites have been found in Finland so far.
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> YLE Radio News Finnish News Agency
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Hello, Frederic and the list,<br>
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We&nbsp; was contacted Johannes Kultima yesterday, and it seems, <br>
the hole is not meteorite-origin, &nbsp;there are 2 layers of ice on<br>
the lake, and the bottom layer of ice is intact.<br>
No pieces was found on ice or between the layers. So the most <br>
possible explanation is, the flood water between two ice layers <br>
has been in high pressure and is erupted trough the weak upper layer <br>
and made the hole.<br>
<br>
Also the structure of the hole is not at all like any meteorite-made <br>
I have seen. This kind of smaller holes are quite commmon here<br>
in the spring-time, this one just happened to be a bigger one... <br>
<br>
So, at the moment I&acute;m 99% sure, this is a hoax. The "bolide" mentioned<br>
in the news seems to be some brighter one from Lyrides. There were also<br>
a brighter one sporadic one reported in the middle of Finland, but this was<br>
too far from the Lake Pitusj&auml;rvi and also too small to be a dropper.<br>
<br>
Mr. Kultima has taken several samples from the broken ice, and they&acute;ll<br>
be checked in&nbsp; the university of Helsinki next week by prof. Martti Lehtinen&acute;s
<br>
team. Anyway, also prof. Lehtinen&acute;s &nbsp;opinion at the moment is, the hole is
made <br>
by the flood water.<br>
<br>
have a nice weekend,<br>
<br>
pekka <br>
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According to Johannes Kultima, an expert at the Geophysical Observatory of
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Another possible cause of such a hole could be flood water that got stuck
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The hole in the ice is about three metres wide and seven metres long, and
there is no radiation coming from it.  </font></p>
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Researchers from the Sodankyl&auml; Observatory went to Pitsusj&auml;rvi to examine
the site on Friday.  </font></p>
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A total of 13 meteorites have been found in Finland so far.  </font></p>
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