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From: Tim Heitz <midwestmeteor_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:04:47 2004
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> John Gwilliam wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> This message is intended primarily for Mr. Casper but I've included
>> Steve Arnold since he is one of the combatants..albeit a reluctant
>> one. I apologize to the rest of you List members in
>> advance...especially Bernd.
>>
>> ***************************************
>> With all due respects to both Michael Casper and Steve Arnold:
>>
>> Would the two of you please leave the rest of us out of your
>> arguments. This King Collection issue has been dug up and rehashed
>> repeatedly here on the Meteorite List with the same conclusion -
>> absolutely nothing. If or when this issue is resolved in court, I'm
>> sure the List members would be interested to hear the outcome - a
>> copy of the court transcript would provide weeks of entertainment.
>>
>> Until then, take your fight outside.
>>
>> My next step will be to add a filter to my email program that will
>> take messages from the both of you and dump them directly in the
>> trash. I know this will be of no consequence to Michael, but it
>> will mean that I won't receive any of Steve's special offers from
>> his email list that I currently belong to - which means he will
>> suffer a loss of revenue.
>>
>> BTW, when Lisa King posted her message to the list (the first
>> time), I wrote her a very polite note asking if she would be more
>> specific in her requests. I told her that I had purchased several
>> specimens from Steve Arnold over the past three years or so and
>> would be willing to provide her with specifics if there was a
>> legitimate reason. I GOT NO REPLY! The only thing Lisa King did
>> was to post a copy of her original message to the Meteorite List a
>> few days later.
>>
>> Smell Fishy?
>>
>> You tell me.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> John Gwilliam
>>
>>
>>
>> At 07:35 PM 5/8/02 -0400, Michael Casper wrote:
>>
>> > Steve Arnold GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT!
>> >
>> > I have in my hand an offer placed with the KING ESTATE for
>> > $250,000.00 AND proof of
>> > HIGHER OFFERS!
>> >
>> > "Sharon was executor of Dr. King's Estate after he died in 1998.
>> > In 1999, Sharon King hired me as the exclusive agent on a five year
>> > contract to sell the meteorites belonging to Dr. King's private
>> > collection."
>> >
>> > My attorney visited Mrs. King and she was in no condition to sign
>> > ANY contract. She appeared heavily DRUGGED.
>> >
>> > Mrs. King told me that if she failed to sign a certain contract
>> > that a certain "male nurse" would LEAVE her ALL ALONE.
>> >
>> > I was informed that A certain "LAWYER" that may have been involved
>> > may have been subject to certain VIOLATIONS of the TEXAS BAR in the
>> > past.
>> >
>> > More later....
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: MeteorHntr_at_aol.com
>> >> To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 2:08 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Relating to the Elbert A. King
>> >> Collection
>> >>
>> >> In a message dated 5/4/02 3:25:12 PM Central Daylight Time,
>> >> Michael_at_caspercoin.com writes:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > The name is Michael NOT Mikey. Yes I did lose out of
>> >> > representing
>> >> > the "King Collection". If I would have sold the collection his
>> >> > daughters
>> >> > would have been paid.
>> >> > It is a fact that I offered OVER $200,00.00 cash to the family.
>> >> > That is
>> >> > $200,000.00 more than they received!
>> >> > Steve Arnold, a questionable attorney and a corrupt male nurse
>> >> > saw to that!
>> >> > the King Family has NOT been paid by Steve Arnold AND
>> >> > ASSOCIATES (Geoff
>> >> > Notkin?).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hello list,
>> >>
>> >> I regret having to post this to the list, but I feel that some
>> >> explanation is necessary.
>> >>
>> >> For those who are unaware, Sharon King, Dr. Elbert A. King's
>> >> widow, passed away in September 2001. Lisa King is her
>> >> stepdaughter. Sharon was executor of Dr. King's Estate after he
>> >> died in 1998. In 1999, Sharon King hired me as the exclusive
>> >> agent on a five year contract to sell the meteorites belonging to
>> >> Dr. King's private collection.
>> >>
>> >> As usual Michael Casper has made some unsubstantiated comments:
>> >>
>> >> 1. He implies that no money was paid to the King family.
>> >> However, In the year 1999 alone, with me as sole agent, over
>> >> $325,000.00 (YES, I REPEAT, OVER THREE HUNDRED TWENTY-FIVE
>> >> THOUSAND DOLLARS!) was paid from individual and institutional
>> >> buyers to Sharon King for the sale of items in Bert's
>> >> Collection. Additional sales were made in 2000 as well.
>> >>
>> >> 2. Casper claims to have made an offer of over $200,000 for the
>> >> entire collection. However, the largest offer he made to me for
>> >> the collection was $100,000. Jim Strope and Darryl Pitt were
>> >> "silent" partners with Casper in his bid for the whole
>> >> collection. As I understand it, Casper did not have enough
>> >> personal funds to cover his $100,000 offer. At some point, I
>> >> know Pitt and Strope backed out of the deal with Casper for
>> >> various reasons. I haven't talked with them about this in nearly
>> >> 3 years, but I am sure they can verify this information. When I
>> >> received a larger offer for the collection, Casper said "I am not
>> >> going to bid this up, you go get your best offer and then come
>> >> back to me and I will beat it." The highest offer I received
>> >> from another party, was for $225,000 which Sharon King turned
>> >> down. I asked Casper if he wanted to top that offer and he asked
>> >> "What will it take for me to buy it?" I asked Mrs. King and she
>> >> was firm on wanting at least $300,000. When I passed this on to
>> >> Casper he said some things I won't repeat here, and he never
>> >> submitted another offer to me after that. Mrs. King then decided
>> >> to sell the meteorites individually. I contacted several
>> >> institutions including the U.S. National Collection at the
>> >> Smithsonian and they were not interested in purchasing or trading
>> >> for any of the specimens. I also contacted the British Museum of
>> >> Natural History in London and they were willing to trade for just
>> >> one specimen from the collection. Several other specimens were
>> >> sold to another interested institution and then we began selling
>> >> the remainder via auctions to the general public.
>> >>
>> >> 3. Casper mentions that "the King Family has not been paid." If
>> >> by that he means that Sharon's stepchildren have not been paid
>> >> yet, then he is correct. Sharon King's Estate is still in
>> >> Probate, so of course the heirs have not received any of Sharon's
>> >> assets yet.
>> >>
>> >> 4. I am not sure what he is referring to when he mentions "a
>> >> questionable attorney" and a "corrupt male nurse." However, as
>> >> for his comments concerning Geoff Notkin, Geoff was my webmaster
>> >> during some of the sales, but he had nothing to do with anything
>> >> other than website updates.
>> >>
>> >> Many items from the King Collection were purchased by people on
>> >> this list. It is possible to verify that all the checks were
>> >> made out to either Sharon King or to the King Estate's law firm's
>> >> trust account. It is also possible to verify through those
>> >> canceled checks that all funds passed through one of these
>> >> accounts and NOT mine. After the funds cleared the bank, my
>> >> commission was paid either by Sharon or her lawyer.
>> >>
>> >> There was a comment made that Casper might be open for a lawsuit
>> >> due to things he has said on this list. Maybe that might be the
>> >> case, but even if I would win a lawsuit against him, I would
>> >> still have to prove "damages" before I would be awarded any
>> >> money. Since Casper's credibility has suffered so much, it is
>> >> hard to imagine that his comments have cost me any loss of sales
>> >> (damages), so why should I sue him? However, I did have several
>> >> auctions on ebay this last weekend right in the middle of all
>> >> this commotion.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ttp://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid=meteoritebroker.com&include=0&since=7&sort=3&rows=0
>> >>
>> >> I would be very interested to know if anyone would be willing to
>> >> swear under oath that they did indeed plan to bid on some of my
>> >> lots, but then decided not to bid based directly on Casper's
>> >> public and or private comments. Not suing Casper has nothing to
>> >> do with any fear of "full disclosure" on my part.
>> >>
>> >> Even though the statute of limitations has expired for the King
>> >> Estate to consider filing a lawsuit against Casper, I would be
>> >> interested to know if anyone was scared off early on by Casper's
>> >> public fiasco on this list three years ago (see list archives
>> >> April/May 1999).
>> >> http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/
>> >>
>> >> Lisa King has inquired about purchases made from the King
>> >> Collection after February 4, 2001. Although my records indicate
>> >> that I have not sold any items from the King Collection after
>> >> January 2001, if anyone has purchased such material from me since
>> >> then please feel free to contact her. I would appreciate a copy
>> >> of any correspondence with her concerning these topics.
>> >>
>> >> I know this is far more detailed than most of you care about, but
>> >> I hope I have cleared up any confusion that has been caused. I
>> >> must admit that I am pleasantly surprised by all the support I
>> >> have received both on the list and off. I would like to say
>> >> thanks to all of you.
>> >>
>> >> Thank You,
>> >> Steven K. Arnold
>> >
>> John Gwilliam MeteoritesPO Box 26854Tempe AZ
>> 85285http://www.meteoriteimpact.com
>

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<blockquote TYPE=CITE>You can add a filter to trash all e-mail you
do not want by using Eudora 5.1.
To download a free copy of Eudora 5.1 For Windows
 <a href="http://www.eudora.com/download/">http://www.eudora.com/download/</a>
Eudora now is licensed in three ways -- Sponsored mode, Paid mode and
Light mode. This program will filter all unwanted e-mail after you make
a filter list.
The sponsored mode is  free.
Best Regards,
 Tim Heitz
 Midwest Meteorite - <a href="http://www.meteorman.org/">http://www.meteorman.org/</a>
 Home of the Meteorite Pusher
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
John Gwilliam wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE> 
This message is intended primarily for Mr. Casper but I've included
Steve Arnold since he is one of the combatants..albeit a reluctant one. 
I apologize to the rest of you List members in advance...especially Bernd.
***************************************
 With all due respects to both Michael Casper and Steve Arnold:
Would the two of you please leave the rest of us out of your arguments. 
This King Collection issue has been dug up and rehashed repeatedly here
on the Meteorite List with the same conclusion - absolutely nothing. 
If or when this issue is resolved in court, I'm sure the List members would
be interested to hear the outcome - a copy of the court transcript would
provide weeks of entertainment.
Until then, take your fight outside.
My next step will be to add a filter to my email program that will take
messages from the both of you and dump them directly in the trash. 
I know this will be of no consequence to Michael,  but it will mean
that I won't receive any of Steve's special offers from his email list
that I currently belong to - which means he will suffer a loss of revenue.
BTW,  when Lisa King posted her message to the list (the first
time), I wrote her a very polite note asking if she would be more specific
in her requests. I told her that I had purchased several specimens from
Steve Arnold over the past three years or so and would be willing to provide
her with specifics if there was a legitimate reason.  I GOT NO REPLY! 
The only thing Lisa King did was to post a copy of her original message
to the Meteorite List a few days later.
Smell Fishy?
You tell me.
Sincerely,
John Gwilliam
  
  
At 07:35 PM 5/8/02 -0400, Michael Casper wrote:
<blockquote type=cite cite>Steve Arnold
GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT!
I have in my hand an offer placed with
the KING ESTATE for $250,000.00 AND proof of
 HIGHER OFFERS!
"Sharon was executor of Dr. King's
Estate after he died in 1998.  In 1999, Sharon King hired me as the
exclusive agent on a five year contract to sell the meteorites belonging
to Dr. King's private collection."
  My attorney visited Mrs. King
and she was in no condition to sign ANY contract. She appeared heavily
DRUGGED.
Mrs. King told me that if she failed
to sign a certain contract that a certain "male nurse" would LEAVE her
ALL ALONE.
I was informed that A certain "LAWYER"
that may have been involved may have been subject to certain VIOLATIONS
of the TEXAS BAR in the past.
  More later....
  
  
  
  
  
<blockquote type=cite cite>----- Original Message -----
 From: <a href="mailto:MeteorHntr_at_aol.com">MeteorHntr@aol.com</a>
 To: <a href="mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com</a>
 Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 2:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Relating to the Elbert A. King
Collection
In a message dated 5/4/02 3:25:12 PM
Central Daylight Time, <a href="mailto:Michael_at_caspercoin.com">Michael@caspercoin.com</a>
writes:
  
<blockquote type=cite cite>The name is
Michael NOT Mikey. Yes I did lose out of representing
 the "King Collection". If I would
have sold the collection his daughters
 would have been paid.
 It is a fact that I offered OVER $200,00.00
cash to the family. That is
 $200,000.00 more than they received!
 Steve Arnold, a questionable attorney
and a corrupt male nurse saw to that!
 the King Family has NOT been paid
by Steve Arnold AND ASSOCIATES (Geoff
 Notkin?).</blockquote>

  
Hello list,
I regret having to post this to the
list, but I feel that some explanation is necessary.
For those who are unaware, Sharon King,
Dr. Elbert A. King's widow, passed away in September 2001. Lisa King is
her stepdaughter.  Sharon was executor of Dr. King's Estate after
he died in 1998.  In 1999, Sharon King hired me as the exclusive agent
on a five year contract to sell the meteorites belonging to Dr. King's
private collection.
As usual Michael Casper has made some
unsubstantiated comments:
1. He implies that no money was paid
to the King family.  However, In the year 1999 alone, with me as sole
agent, over $325,000.00 (YES, I REPEAT, OVER THREE HUNDRED TWENTY-FIVE
THOUSAND DOLLARS!) was paid from individual and institutional buyers to
Sharon King for the sale of items in Bert's Collection.  Additional
sales were made in 2000 as well.
2. Casper claims to have made an offer
of over $200,000 for the entire collection.  However, the largest
offer he made to me for the collection was $100,000.  Jim Strope and
Darryl Pitt  were "silent" partners with Casper in his bid for the
whole collection.  As I understand it, Casper did not have enough
personal funds to cover his $100,000 offer.  At some point, I know
Pitt and Strope backed out of the deal with Casper for various reasons. 
I haven't talked with them about this in nearly 3 years, but I am sure
they can verify this information. When I received a larger offer for the
collection, Casper said "I am not going to bid this up, you go get your
best offer and then come back to me and I will beat it."  The highest
offer I received from another party, was for $225,000 which Sharon King
turned down.  I asked Casper if he wanted to top that offer and he
asked "What will it take for me to buy it?" I asked Mrs. King and she was
firm on wanting at least $300,000.  When I passed this on to Casper
he said some things I won't repeat here, and he never submitted another
offer to me after that.  Mrs. King then decided to sell the meteorites
individually.  I contacted several institutions including the U.S.
National Collection at the Smithsonian and they were not interested in
purchasing or trading for any of the specimens.  I also contacted
the British Museum of Natural History in London and they were willing to
trade for just one specimen from the collection.  Several other specimens
were sold to another interested institution and then we began selling the
remainder via auctions to the general public.
3. Casper mentions that "the King Family
has not been paid." If by that he means that Sharon's stepchildren have
not been paid yet, then he is correct.  Sharon King's Estate is still
in Probate, so of course the heirs have not received any of Sharon's assets
yet.
4. I am not sure what he is referring
to when he mentions "a questionable attorney" and a "corrupt male nurse."
However, as for his comments concerning Geoff Notkin, Geoff was my webmaster
during some of the sales, but he had nothing to do with anything other
than website updates.
Many items from the King Collection
were purchased by people on this list.  It is possible to verify that
all the checks were made out to either Sharon King or to the King Estate's
law firm's trust account.  It is also possible to verify through those
canceled checks that all funds passed through one of these accounts and
NOT mine.  After the funds cleared the bank, my commission was paid
either by Sharon or her lawyer.
There was a comment made that Casper
might be open for a lawsuit due to things he has said on this list. 
Maybe that might be the case, but even if I would win a lawsuit against
him, I would still have to prove "damages" before I would be awarded any
money.  Since Casper's credibility has suffered so much, it is hard
to imagine that his comments have cost me any loss of sales (damages),
so why should I sue him?  However, I did have several auctions on
ebay this last weekend right in the middle of all this commotion.
<a href="http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid=meteoritebroker.com&include=0&since=7&sort=3&rows=0">http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid=meteoritebroker.com&include=0&since=7&sort=3&rows=0</a>
I would be very interested to know
if anyone would be willing to swear under oath that they did indeed plan
to bid on some of my lots, but then decided not to bid based directly on
Casper's public and or private comments.  Not suing Casper has nothing
to do with any fear of "full disclosure" on my part.
Even though the statute of limitations
has expired for the King Estate to consider filing a lawsuit against Casper,
I would be interested to know if anyone was scared off early on by Casper's
public fiasco on this list three years ago (see list archives April/May
1999).     <a href="http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/">http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/</a>
Lisa King has inquired about purchases
made from the King Collection after February 4, 2001.  Although my
records indicate that I have not sold any items from the King Collection
after January 2001, if anyone has purchased such material from me since
then please feel free to contact her.  I would appreciate a copy of
any correspondence with her concerning these topics.
I know this is far more detailed than
most of you care about, but I hope I have cleared up any confusion that
has been caused.  I must admit that I am pleasantly surprised by all
the support I have received both on the list and off.  I would like
to say thanks to all of you.
Thank You,
 Steven K. Arnold</blockquote>
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John Gwilliam MeteoritesPO Box 26854Tempe  AZ  85285<a href="http://www.meteoriteimpact.com/" EUDORA="AUTOURL">http://www.meteoriteimpact.com</a></blockquote>
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