[meteorite-list] THANKS

From: Rhett Bourland <rbourlan_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:00:10 2004
Message-ID: <IOEBKAHMGFBDJMOFGDFNAEPHDNAA.rbourlan_at_evansville.net>

His posts need my approval before they go out to the IMCA's mailing list
because he was put on a sort of probation because of his past actions. He
attempted to post a sales message to the IMCA's list despite the fact that
such messages are prohibited and that message was blocked before it went out
to everyone and he was subsequently removed for attempting to post a sales
message.

Rhett Bourland
www.asteroidmodels.com
www.asteroidmodels.com/personal
www.meteoritecollectors.org

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of Jim
Strope
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:53 PM
To: Meteorite-List_at_meteoritecentral.com;
meteoritecollectorsassociation_at_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] THANKS


Correct me if I am wrong but I think Rhett revoked Steve's posting
privileges based upon the following statement:

> "The purpose of the mailing list is to alert people of frauds
> > Steve decided to post another one of his sales messages for the same old
> > material to that list and as a result got removed from the mailing list
but
> > not the IMCA.

However, I went back and looked at the past messages for the groups and it
seems that Steve HAS NOT posted sales messages to the collectorsassociation
group mailing list.

Perhaps in the flood of sales updates to other mailing lists, Rhett thought
they were coming from the collectors association!!!! :D~

Jim Strope
421 Fourth Street
Glen Dale, WV 26038

Catch a Falling Star Meteorites
http://www.catchafallingstar.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "magellon" <magellon_at_earthlink.net>
To: <rbourlan_at_evansville.net>; <Meteorite-List@meteoritecentral.com>;
<meteoritecollectorsassociation_at_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] THANKS


>
> Rhett,
> I am really confused with this action so if I am out of line please
correct me.
> I just want to be sure that Mr. Arnold is indeed a racist because this is
a very
> serious charge
> and now his reputation is sullied by making it public.
> Racists slurs are very damaging and hurtful to the recipients.
> They should not be tolerated.
> However the intentions behind the slur are equally important.
> ( Some Afro-Americans use the "n" word in friendship when addressing
> each other but would not tolerate it from another race)
> So, are you sure Mr. Arnold was trying to hurt the feelings of Matteo?
> Are you sure Mr. Arnold is a racist?
> Did Matteo contact him personally first to rectify matters?
> Obviously Matteo must have contacted you at some time.
> Did you contact Mr. Arnold privately to get his side of the matter?
> Should Mr. Arnold be judged by rules that did not exist when the offense
was
> committed?
> Why would IMCA be involved when this has nothing to do with meteorites or
> meteorite sales?
> Why has Mr. Arnold been banned from the IMCA group list when (according to
my
> e-mails) - HE HAS NEVER USED IT? NOT EVEN ONE POST!!
> So is IMCA going to monitor posts on the LIST and put the big dealers on a
> "sort of probation" when they get into " undue assaults or racial
comments"
> (I've read a lot worse than a racial slur- i.e. sexual slur) or is this
just for
> the little new people?
> Do you think the same rules should apply to all members?
>
> If the IMCA is now going to concern itself with "relationships" as well as
> "authenticity",
> I'm concerned with its new direction and to what it might lead!
> Did the majority of board members approve of this change?
> I think this situation could have been handled privately without
accusations
> and without IMCA involvement.
> But now it is public and the IMCA has opened itself to a possible slander
> charge..
> I have found Mr. Arnold very open to suggestion.
> He loves this group and I don't think he would intentionally hurt anyone.
> I don't believe he is racist.
> His lack of experience may irritate others, but none of us wants our
"freeness
> of speech" regulated.
> I do not take Matteo's hurt feelings lightly unless he failed to contact
Mr.
> Arnold to straighten things out privately.
> Rhettt, again if I am out of line, please correct me. (these are
questions -
> not flames)
> Thanks,
> Ken Newton
> #9632
>
>
>
>
> Rhett Bourland wrote:
>
> > Actualy Walter, I think that Steve has confused this list with the
mailing
> > list for the IMCA. I am the one that has called him a racist because he
> > made racist comments towards Matteo Chinellato after Matteo expressed
> > discontent with getting Steve's multiple messages for the same material.
If
> > making racist comments towards someone isn't reason enough to call
someone a
> > racist I'm not sure what is. He almost got kicked out of the IMCA
because I
> > will not tolerate such comments among the INTERNATIONAL Meteorite
Collectors
> > Association but since there was nothing against that on the website he
> > wasn't kicked out but if you'll check various pages there are now
statements
> > saying that such actions are now grounds for removal and I can't believe
I
> > had to actually make such statements and they are only there because
Steve
> > proved me wrong.
> > His comments to Matteo put him on a sort of probation with the IMCA
where he
> > would be watched a bit more closely than other members. Last night,
despite
> > the following statement on the IMCA's website
> >
> > "The purpose of the mailing list is to alert people of frauds and if a
new
> > person to wishes to join the association that we don't personally know
then
> > we will post to the list asking for any experiences that anyone has had.
If
> > you would like to post about anything meteorite related (discoveries,
> > questions, good natured debate) that is welcomed as well. Please, DO NOT
> > post any sales or flames to this list. There are plenty of other lists
for
> > those puposes. Failure to adhere to that rule will result in you being
> > removed from it (but not out of the group). "
> >
> > Steve decided to post another one of his sales messages for the same old
> > material to that list and as a result got removed from the mailing list
but
> > not the IMCA.
> > Also, despite what Mr. Arnold may think, I do not hate him. I don't
> > particulary care for him because of his comments to Matteo as well as
some
> > rather rude comments that have been made to other people off list that I
> > have been told about but I do not care for him because of those actions.
> > I apologize to anyone who may not care about this but I wanted to go on
the
> > record as being the one who called Steve a racist because of his racist
> > comments made towards Matteo. Perhaps Matteo would be willing to shed a
> > little light on this issue?
> > Sincerely,
> > Rhett Bourland
> > www.asteroidmodels.com
> > www.asteroidmodels.com/personal
> > www.meteoritecollectors.org
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com
> > [mailto:meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of Walter
> > Branch
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 7:02 PM
> > To: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!; Meteorite-List_at_meteoritecentral.com
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] THANKS
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > The only person who could kick you off the list is Art Jones, the list
> > administrator and I am certain that you have done nothing to warrant
being
> > kicked off the list. Who has threatened to kick you off the list and
who
> > has called you a racist?
> >
> > -Walter
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------
> > Walter Branch, Ph.D.
> > Branch Meteorites
> > 322 Stephenson Ave., Suite B
> > Savannah, GA 31405 USA
> > www.branchmeteorites.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" <steve_arnol60120_at_yahoo.com>
> > To: <Meteorite-List_at_Meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 7:42 PM
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] THANKS
> >
> > > Hi list. I want to thank alot of you good folks for supporting me. I
never
> > > intended to cause such an uproar. I just wanted to know about LA 002.
Now
> > > I know. If we can get some great, if not no biggy. I'm just tired of
being
> > > threatend of being kicked out of this list. I love this List and all
the
> > > great guys and gals that make up this great list. I'll slow down the
posts
> > > and spamming. I just want to get along with my fellow meteorite
friends
> > > and can hardly wait to meet you in Tucson. It is hard to swallow when
I'm
> > > called a racist! I do not have a racist bone in my body. I know I
should
> > > not let 1 person get to me, but I do not believe in my heart of hearts
> > > that I should be kicked around like this. If it was not for Mr. Haag,
I
> > > would not even be in this club of meteorite greatness. I owe alot to
that
> > > man. And when I get to Tucson, he'll be the first in a line of great
> > > people I look forward to meeting. Thank you for letting me air myself
out!
> > > I hope you all have a great evening!!!!
> > >
> > > =====
> > > Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120
> > > I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728
> > > The Midwest Meteorite Collector!
> > > Collecting Meteorites since,June, 1999!!!
> > > Website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com
> > >
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