[meteorite-list] The Moroccan CR2 meteorite
From: Michael Farmer <farmerm_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 09:55:52 2004 Message-ID: <003d01c1a67e$1d2a8320$a6d00140_at_computer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C1A64B.D01B69A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dean, wow, you have it all huh? Considering I was there just a week and = a half ago, you can't run your crap by me. Don't you think using the = term "dump" is good for a meteorite that you are admitting is so = beautiful and rare? There WILL be more meteorites coming from that = strewnfield. you know that so stop your lying. You are the most = interesting dealer ive seen since Casper, buy rare meteorites and then = "dump" them to make a buck. You admitted that you would make alot of = enemies with your CR2 fiasco, it is working, You should stick to selling = your crappy $250 kilos scraps and quit trying to trash anything else.=20 Mike Farmer ----- Original Message -----=20 From: dean bessey=20 To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 12:05 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The Moroccan CR2 meteorite I am now in amsterdam enjoying guinness in a coffee shop with internet = access and am piling over hundreds of emails many of which concern the = CR2 strewnfield . I will post photos of the strewnfield, coordinates and other data in = the next day or two. the strewnfield is within a couple miles of = downtown zagora. it is small and very well known. I plan on approaching = the meteoritical society to ask for a real name on it. the locals have = throughly searched over it with sight, magnets and metal detectors. I am = told that 3 months ago there were two or three hundred people a day = seaching the flat rocky strewnfield that has no vegetation and is easy = to search. it is quite small to. most people have now gotten discouraged = and now only a couple dozen wemon including small girls search anymore. = everybody came up to me when we entered the strewnfield but there was = less than a gram for sale. there will not be more meteorites coming out = of that strenfield. likely no place on earth has been searched over like = that strewnfield has been searched. if there was 300 people in that = strewnfield it would be like walking around in a crowded disco.=20 it was very hard to buy any. Except for about 250 grams that a guy who = I never got off to a good start has I bought all that there is left in = the zagora area. Likely there is less than a kilo in all of morocco = right now including what is left in the strewnfield although what is = left is pretty minimal. everybody wanted to much and most of the stuff that I have, I have on = consignment to sell. Everybody figured that getting me to sell it for = them in tucson would get them more cash than selling it outright. I = pretty much have all that is left. I have about a kilo and a half = although half is already spoken for by other dealers so my stuff will = quickly dry up and i dont think that I will ever get more. I havent paid for my material so I have to dump it and just take a = commission although i plan on keeping some of it. I have spent over = 50,000 dollars in the past month getting ready for tucson and getting = ebay stock for afterwards so I have to get rid of this stuff. I can = still match my 23.50 a gram price for as long as it lasts for individual = specimens. Let me know what sizes that you want if you want any. I think that a fair price for this stuff is about seventy five dollars = a gram. After tucson I likely wont be feeling so poor and still feel a = need to dump one of the most significant meteoprites to come out of the = sahara anymore. there is certainly not 2 tons of meteorites in this = strewnfield like there is in allende which still yields six or seven = dollars a gram. the strenfield is very well known also. this is not a = meteorite without known coordinates (although to be honest i cant see a = difference anyway but thats just my opinion). I will post coordinates = tomorrow. right now my GPS unit is on the airplane so I cant check the = info that I saved i will only be back in canada for a day before i go to tucson so if = you want any email the sizes that you want and i will go over what i = have. I prefer paypal payment so that I can get it out monday before i = leave to drive to tucson. I will have more info and strewnfield photos in the next couple days = and I will then sell it to the list. if you want some get it now or in = tucson. this stuff will not be under 30 dollars forever. I know of a = couple other dealers with quantities so I dont know what they plan on = doing but there is no economic reason for anybody to beat my price here. = this one should have an increase in price. remember this meteorite was = 300 dollars in tucson last year and 200 dollars at the recent denver = show. Cheers DEAN .=20 =20 _____________________________________________________________________=20 You dont have to go to NASA to get a Rock from outer space. Or even = from the Planet Mars or the Moon. You just have to visit the Meteorite = Shop. www.meteoriteshop.com=20 >From: Bernd Pauli HD=20 >To: rbourlan_at_evansville.net=20 >CC: Starbits_at_aol.com, dfreeman@fascination.com, = meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Terresterial VS. way out there testing=20 >Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:36:21 +0100=20 >MIME-Version: 1.0=20 >Received: from [216.92.1.92] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id = MHotMailBE1B355F002A4004318FD85C015C066F0; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:29:45 = -0800=20 >Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1])by = pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTPid 812B853689; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 = 17:50:34 -0500 (EST)=20 >Received: from mu.pair.com (mu.pair.com [209.68.1.23])by pairlist.net = (Postfix) with SMTP id B762153CEEfor ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:35:55 -0500 = (EST)=20 >Received: (qmail 54314 invoked by uid 7111); 25 Jan 2002 22:35:53 = -0000=20 >Received: (qmail 54310 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 22:35:53 = -0000=20 >Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.com (194.25.134.18) by = mu.pair.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 22:35:53 -0000=20 >Received: from fwd10.sul.t-online.deby mailout04.sul.t-online.com = with smtpid 16UEwe-0002hG-00; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:35:40 +0100=20 >Received: from lehrer1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de = (520016871279-0001_at_[217.228.180.150]) by fmrl10.sul.t-online.comwith = esmtp id 16UEwO-0KbZDsC; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:35:24 +0100=20 >From meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com Fri, 25 Jan 2002 = 15:31:07 -0800=20 >Delivered-To: meteorite-list_at_pairlist.net=20 >Delivered-To: = arthur-meteoritecentral:com-meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 >Message-ID: <3C51DDE5.7C384E0A_at_lehrer1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>=20 >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW0324e (Win95; U)=20 >X-Accept-Language: de,en=20 >References:=20 >X-Sender: 520016871279-0001_at_t-dialin.net=20 >Sender: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 >Errors-To: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 >X-BeenThere: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 >X-Mailman-Version: 2.0=20 >Precedence: bulk=20 >List-Help:=20 >List-Post:=20 >List-Subscribe: ,=20 >List-Id:=20 >List-Unsubscribe: ,=20 >List-Archive:=20 >=20 > > According to Dr Kring there was a paper published which=20 > > gave the differences in the H, L, and LL ordinary chondrites.=20 > > I think it was by Rubin but I am not sure.=20 >=20 >Nor am I. Maybe it is this paper by Rubin:=20 >=20 >RUBIN A.E. (1990) Kamacite and olivine in ordinary chondrites:=20 >Intergroup and intragroup relationships (GCA 54, 1217-1232).=20 >=20 >In this paper Rubin gives ranges in mol%Fa and %Co in kamacite=20 >for H, L, and LL chondrites. Jeff should have more about that.=20 >=20 >Good night=20 >from Germany,=20 >=20 >Bernd=20 >=20 >______________________________________________=20 >Meteorite-list mailing list=20 >Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. ______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing = list Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com = http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list=20 ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C1A64B.D01B69A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns:mailto><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dean, wow, you have it all huh? = Considering I was=20 there just a week and a half ago, you can't run your crap by me. Don't = you think=20 using the term "dump" is good for a meteorite that you are admitting is = so=20 beautiful and rare? There WILL be more meteorites coming from that = strewnfield.=20 you know that so stop your lying. You are the most interesting dealer = ive seen=20 since Casper, buy rare meteorites and then "dump" them to make a = buck. You=20 admitted that you would make alot of enemies with your CR2 fiasco, it is = working, You should stick to selling your crappy $250 kilos scraps and = quit=20 trying to trash anything else. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mike Farmer</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Ddeanbessey_at_hotmail.com = href=3D"mailto:deanbessey_at_hotmail.com">dean=20 bessey</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor= itecentral.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 26, = 2002 12:05=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [meteorite-list] The = Moroccan=20 CR2 meteorite</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <P>I am now in amsterdam enjoying guinness in a coffee shop with = internet=20 access and am piling over hundreds of emails many of which concern the = CR2=20 strewnfield .</P> <P>I will post photos of the strewnfield, coordinates and other data = in the=20 next day or two. the strewnfield is within a couple miles of downtown = zagora.=20 it is small and very well known. I plan on approaching the = meteoritical=20 society to ask for a real name on it. the locals have throughly = searched over=20 it with sight, magnets and metal detectors. I am told that 3 months = ago there=20 were two or three hundred people a day seaching the flat rocky=20 strewnfield that has no vegetation and is easy to search. it is = quite=20 small to. most people have now gotten discouraged and now only = a couple=20 dozen wemon including small girls search anymore. everybody came = up to me=20 when we entered the strewnfield but there was less than a = gram for sale.=20 there will not be more meteorites coming out of that strenfield. = likely no=20 place on earth has been searched over like that strewnfield has been = searched.=20 if there was 300 people in that strewnfield it would be like walking = around in=20 a crowded disco. </P> <P>it was very hard to buy any. Except for about 250 grams that a guy = who I=20 never got off to a good start has I bought all that there is left in = the=20 zagora area. Likely there is less than a kilo in all of morocco right = now=20 including what is left in the strewnfield although what is left is = pretty=20 minimal.</P> <P>everybody wanted to much and most of the stuff that I have, I have = on=20 consignment to sell. Everybody figured that getting me to sell it for = them in=20 tucson would get them more cash than selling it outright. I pretty = much have=20 all that is left. I have about a kilo and a half although half is = already=20 spoken for by other dealers so my stuff will quickly dry up and i dont = think=20 that I will ever get more.</P> <P>I havent paid for my material so I have to dump it and just take a=20 commission although i plan on keeping some of it. I have spent = over=20 50,000 dollars in the past month getting ready for tucson and = getting=20 ebay stock for afterwards so I have to get rid of this stuff. I can = still=20 match my 23.50 a gram price for as long as it lasts for = individual=20 specimens. Let me know what sizes that you want if you want = any.</P> <P>I think that a fair price for this stuff is about seventy five = dollars a=20 gram. After tucson I likely wont be feeling so poor and still feel a = need to=20 dump one of the most significant meteoprites to come out of the sahara = anymore. there is certainly not 2 tons of meteorites in this = strewnfield=20 like there is in allende which still yields six or seven dollars a = gram. the=20 strenfield is very well known also. this is not a meteorite without=20 known coordinates (although to be honest i cant see a difference = anyway=20 but thats just my opinion). I will post coordinates tomorrow. right = now my GPS=20 unit is on the airplane so I cant check the info that I saved</P> <P>i will only be back in canada for a day before i go to tucson so if = you=20 want any email the sizes that you want and i will go over what i have. = I=20 prefer paypal payment so that I can get it out monday before i leave = to drive=20 to tucson.</P> <P>I will have more info and strewnfield photos in the next couple = days and I=20 will then sell it to the list. if you want some get it now or in = tucson. this=20 stuff will not be under 30 dollars forever. I know of a couple other = dealers=20 with quantities so I dont know what they plan on doing but there is no = economic reason for anybody to beat my price here. this one should = have an=20 increase in price. remember this meteorite was 300 dollars in tucson = last year=20 and 200 dollars at the recent denver show.</P> <P>Cheers</P> <P>DEAN</P> <P>. </P> <P> <BR><BR></P></DIV> = <DIV></DIV><BR><BR><BR>__________________________________________________= ___________________=20 <DIV></DIV>You dont have to go to NASA to get a Rock from outer space. = Or even=20 from the Planet Mars or the Moon. You just have to visit the Meteorite = Shop.=20 www.meteoriteshop.com=20 <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>>From: Bernd Pauli HD = <BERND.PAULI_at_LEHRER1.RZ.UNI-KARLSRUHE.DE> <DIV></DIV>>To: rbourlan_at_evansville.net=20 <DIV></DIV>>CC: Starbits_at_aol.com, dfreeman@fascination.com,=20 meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 <DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Terresterial VS. way out = there=20 testing=20 <DIV></DIV>>Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:36:21 +0100=20 <DIV></DIV>>MIME-Version: 1.0=20 <DIV></DIV>>Received: from [216.92.1.92] by hotmail.com (3.2) with = ESMTP id=20 MHotMailBE1B355F002A4004318FD85C015C066F0; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:29:45 = -0800=20 <DIV></DIV>>Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com = [127.0.0.1])by=20 pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTPid 812B853689; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 = 17:50:34=20 -0500 (EST)=20 <DIV></DIV>>Received: from mu.pair.com (mu.pair.com = [209.68.1.23])by=20 pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B762153CEEfor=20 <METEORITE-LIST_at_LISTS.METEORITECENTRAL.COM>; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:35:55 = -0500=20 (EST)=20 <DIV></DIV>>Received: (qmail 54314 invoked by uid 7111); 25 Jan = 2002=20 22:35:53 -0000=20 <DIV></DIV>>Received: (qmail 54310 invoked from network); 25 Jan = 2002=20 22:35:53 -0000=20 <DIV></DIV>>Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.com = (194.25.134.18) by=20 mu.pair.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 22:35:53 -0000=20 <DIV></DIV>>Received: from fwd10.sul.t-online.deby=20 mailout04.sul.t-online.com with smtpid 16UEwe-0002hG-00; Fri, 25 Jan = 2002=20 23:35:40 +0100=20 <DIV></DIV>>Received: from lehrer1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de=20 (520016871279-0001_at_[217.228.180.150]) by fmrl10.sul.t-online.comwith = esmtp id=20 16UEwO-0KbZDsC; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:35:24 +0100=20 <DIV></DIV>>From meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com Fri, 25 = Jan 2002=20 15:31:07 -0800=20 <DIV></DIV>>Delivered-To: meteorite-list_at_pairlist.net=20 <DIV></DIV>>Delivered-To:=20 arthur-meteoritecentral:com-meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 <DIV></DIV>>Message-ID:=20 <3C51DDE5.7C384E0A_at_lehrer1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>=20 <DIV></DIV>>X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW0324e (Win95; = U)=20 <DIV></DIV>>X-Accept-Language: de,en=20 <DIV></DIV>>References:=20 <IOEBKAHMGFBDJMOFGDFNMEBIDFAA.RBOURLAN_at_EVANSVILLE.NET> <DIV></DIV>>X-Sender: 520016871279-0001_at_t-dialin.net=20 <DIV></DIV>>Sender: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 <DIV></DIV>>Errors-To: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 <DIV></DIV>>X-BeenThere: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 <DIV></DIV>>X-Mailman-Version: 2.0=20 <DIV></DIV>>Precedence: bulk=20 <DIV></DIV>>List-Help:=20 <mailto:meteorite-list-request_at_meteoritecentral.com?subject=3Dhelp> <DIV></DIV>>List-Post: <mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com> <DIV></DIV>>List-Subscribe:=20 = ,<mailto:meteorite-list-request_at_meteoritecentral.com?subject=3Dsubscribe>= =20 <DIV></DIV>>List-Id: <METEORITE-LIST.METEORITECENTRAL.COM> <DIV></DIV>>List-Unsubscribe:=20 = ,<mailto:meteorite-list-request_at_meteoritecentral.com?subject=3Dunsubscrib= e>=20 <DIV></DIV>>List-Archive:=20 <DIV></DIV>>=20 <DIV></DIV>> > According to Dr Kring there was a paper published = which=20 <DIV></DIV>> > gave the differences in the H, L, and LL ordinary = chondrites.=20 <DIV></DIV>> > I think it was by Rubin but I am not sure.=20 <DIV></DIV>>=20 <DIV></DIV>>Nor am I. 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Jeff should have more = about that.=20 <DIV></DIV>>=20 <DIV></DIV>>Good night=20 <DIV></DIV>>from Germany,=20 <DIV></DIV>>=20 <DIV></DIV>>Bernd=20 <DIV></DIV>>=20 <DIV></DIV>>______________________________________________=20 <DIV></DIV>>Meteorite-list mailing list=20 <DIV></DIV>>Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 <DIV></DIV>>http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = = <DIV></DIV></mailto:meteorite-list-request_at_meteoritecentral.com?subject=3D= unsubscribe></mailto:meteorite-list-request_at_meteoritecentral.com?subject=3D= subscribe></mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com></mailto:meteorite= -list-request_at_meteoritecentral.com?subject=3Dhelp></DIV><BR=20 clear=3Dall> <HR> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <A=20 = href=3D"http://go.msn.com/bql/hmtag_etl_EN.asp">http://explorer.msn.com</= A>.<BR>______________________________________________=20 Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list=20 </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C1A64B.D01B69A0-- Received on Sat 26 Jan 2002 10:28:28 AM PST |
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