[meteorite-list] Water, not wind. (was,"Nice Chondrules")

From: Mark Miconi <mam602_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 09:53:59 2004
Message-ID: <004501c1ab87$3ce8a9e0$54b60344_at_ph.cox.net>

Mohamed,
I believe it is time you find a new hobby...ROCK collecting may be good as
you now have an impressive collection.

Mark M.
----- Original Message -----
From: DiamondMeteor <DiamondMeteor_at_hotmail.com>
To: Robert Verish <bolidechaser_at_yahoo.com>; Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral
<meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Cc: Allan Treiman <treiman_at_lpi.usra.edu>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Water, not wind. (was,"Nice Chondrules")


> Dear Robert, Allan, David and All;
>
> Thanks for your comments.
> Do you think water or wind lines would run on both sides of the rock and
> almost continuously? Can these also form thumbprints?
> Please see these more detailed pictures of the flow lines:
> http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/fl2.htm
>
> About the chonrules: they are glassy, they dont contain any carbonates.
>
> About the ones with fusion crust: David is quite right about the layers.
> However, I strongly believe that I have got the first sedementary
> meteorites!!! I know you will lough at that but I have gathered lots of
> evidences. One Japanese professor of meteorites agreed with this
preliminary
> observations, besides; one of the rocks I showed you earlier has been
> identified as planetary meteorite (by one famous meteorite Lab) but it is
> still under other tests.
> In fact I was hesitant to show you some peculiar "sedementary meteorite"
> pictures, but here if you want to see, so you have something fun to talk
> about at Tucson:
> http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/sd.htm
> Notice that I would not lift these rocks off the ground if they dont have
> very clear fusion crust (not desert varnish nor anything else; seeing is
> believing).
>
> Dear Tim and Allan;
> You are welcome to use any images in your sites, however, please allow me
> about two weeks till I get final lab results that they are meteowrongs. If
> they prove to be wrongs I promise to send you very high resolution images.
>
> Best Regards
> Mohamed
> ==============================================
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Verish" <bolidechaser_at_yahoo.com>
> To: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral"
<meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Cc: "Allan Treiman" <treiman_at_lpi.usra.edu>
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 1:41 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Water, not wind. (was,"Nice Chondrules")
>
>
> > I agree with Allan Treiman. These are great looking
> > meteor-wrongs. In fact, no meteor-wrong web site
> > would be complete without a link to this stunning,
> > geologically uninformed "britishlibrary" web site.
> > Even if you forgive the misidentification of
> > meteorites due to a lack of an acquired expertise,
> > their lack of interest in learning about the rocks
> > common to their local area is what stuns me.
> >
> > To me, the quality of these meteor-wrongs suggests
> > that there is a very high probability that a meteorite
> > CAN be found in this area (if one hasn't been found
> > already;-). What I wouldn't give to live near a
> > desert pavement like the one pictured in the
> > background of these images. So forgive my suspicion,
> > but those people that have suggested that this web
> > site might be "a prank" may be on to something.
> >
> > But then again, this may become the classic example of
> > the impossibility of educating the general public, no
> > matter how many quality images are available on all
> > the excellent meteorite and meteor-wrong web sites. I
> > am continually dismayed by all the meteor-wrongs
> > brought to me by finders who say, "It looks just like
> > a meteorite that I saw on [enter any meteorite dealers
> > name here] web site"! Then when I go to that web
> > site, I usually end up saying, "You think THAT
> > meteorite image looks like THIS piece of iron ore?"
> >
> > Another "impossibility" is getting 3 geologists to use
> > the same name when identifying a meteor-wrong. Not an
> > actual problem, but to the lay-person, the variation
> > in geologic terms applied to a meteor-wrong by
> > different examiners is often perceived as varying
> > opinions.
> >
> > Another tip-of-the-hat to Allan for his concise
> > evaluation of the latest "Diamondmeteorite.com"
> > images. More importantly, the descriptions are
> > understandable to the lay-person. But then, I should
> > also give credit to Graham Christensen for pointing
> > out that the "flow lines" on the 3rd wrong are
> > "oriented upwards" and are "probably formed by rain".
> > Granted, we don't know for sure the original
> > orientation in the ground for these fine-grained,
> > layered white rocks, but on their surface these
> > finely-spaced rills are more typical of dissolution
> > features on limestone than the product of windblown
> > sand. It has been my observation that rocks like
> > limestone have difficulty developing ventifacted
> > surfaces. Even if there is very minimal precipitation
> > (or even condensation), dissolution will always
> > outpace ventification.
> >
> > Bob V.
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > [meteorite-list] Nice Chondrules
> > Treiman, Allan Treiman_at_lpi.usra.edu
> > Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:18:19
> >
> > Beautiful and educational meteor-wrongs!
> >
> > ++++++
> > The third rocks are ventifacts, carved by windblown
> > sand. By their color, they are probably limestone.
> > Behind the rocks is a nice desert pavement, which is
> > consistent with lots of wind.
> > ++++++
> > Geologically yours
> > Allan
> >
> > Allan H. Treiman
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------
> > [meteorite-list] Nice Chondrules
> > Graham Christensen majorvoltage_at_hotmail.com
> > Thu, 31 Jan 2002 01:43:02 -0700
> >
> > Hello Mohammed,
> > Very interesting but I think your identification is
> > wrong.
> > ++++++++
> > And finally, your 'flow lines' are probably formed by
> > rain. Notice how they all seem to be oriented upwards.
> > Also, flow lines are only seen on fresh fusion crust
> > and most fusion crust is dark except on some
> > achondrite.
> > ++++++++
> >
> > Happy hunting.
> > Graham Christensen
> >
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