[meteorite-list] Usama Bin Laden

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From: tett <tett_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 09:48:58 2004
Message-ID: <3BA08ED1.E7BECD84_at_bmts.com>

Stop this !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We can not go and attack a religion because a few bastard fanatics twist it's teachings.

First, I must state that I do not know any of the Koran. I am a Christian. With that said I will go on.

I spoke with a very good friend last night who is a Muslim. One of my yearly highlights is to go on a weeks kayak
trip with Mohammed and some other friends. Mohammed is as kind and gentle a person as any that I have had the honor
to know. His respect for all life and creation is awesome. He also knows the Koran and I asked him some very
pointed questions about it. This is what he had to say and I believe him.

"No where does this book advocate violence against non Muslims. No where does this book mention Christians or Jews
as the enemy. This book is simply one that begs people to get closer to God and , like the Bible, focuses on love
and peace."

Countless other atrocities have been carried out in the name of Christ as well. Just study the history of Central
America or look to the United States history over the past 200 years. The very fabric of our western culture has
been shaped by people killing other people in the name of Christ. Hitler also used the Bible as a tool to lend
credence to what he did.

Please do not go and think that every Muslim believes in this Jihad. They don't!

As a Christian, there is only one path. That is to embrace all of God's children with love. The wonderful thing is
that this thread is also woven into the other major religions of today.

Yes, we do have enemies and I believe that they have turned away from God. Yes, we must stop this brutality and
take the offensive. But, we are no better than those that organized and carried out this mission against all of
civilization if we are to go and wage war against a religion and against a people that have the unlucky fortune to
be identified with these terrorists.

If we do wage war against Muslims and a people in general then the terrorists have won. Let's find out who did this
and stop them.

Mike Tettenborn

Gabriel Shaqued wrote:

> Guys, do you know the Koran ?
> Jihad is every Muslim's personal duty. To kill all the non-muslims,
> or convert them to muslims. The Islam calls the christians "pigs" and
> the jew "monkeys".
>
> Sure, i don't generalize, but i think we have a little problem with this
> culture.
>
> Gabriel Shaqued
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <meteorites_at_space.com>
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> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 5:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Usama Bin Laden
>
> > One thing that these Islamic animals fear is defilement of their persons
> before they die in a Jihad.
> >
> > Defilement would prevent them from getting their "72 virgins" and a place
> in their "heaven"
> >
> > "Unclean" items are the means of defilement, and essence of pig is one
> thing that they fear.
> >
> > The British found this out in India in WWII and used it to deal with
> Islamic separatists promised a homeland by the Japanese.
> >
> > When we go into battle against these spawn of the Middle Ages, our
> soldiers should lube their bullets with pig fat, and coat our bombs with the
> same, so that the recipients of such will no longer have the certainty of
> making it to their version of heaven.
> >
> >
> > Steve Schoner,
> > AMS
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 12 September 2001, "Michael Casper" wrote:
> >
> > >
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> > > <DIV>DIARY OF A MADMAN For those
> interested,
> > > take time to read the following information concerning Usama Bin
> Laden.
> > > Assuming he is the one responsible (whether direct or indirect), the
> > > perceived threat below is information enough to justify stopping
> this
> > > lunatic immediately.  His (presumed) attack on New York has clearly
> > > demonstrated their ability to strike westerners at home. Just over a
> year
> > > ago I read an article from a security think-tank who said one of
> the
> > > next major terrorist threats could originate from a "suitcase nuke"
> brought
> > > into the harbour of a major U.S. city from overseas. Originally I
> believed
> > > we were years away from such a threat but after today's attack
> one has
> > > to wonder if this isn't a very "real" possibility. I always try to
> avoid
> > > making political statements here but under the circumstances I
> believe the
> > > United States government has no choice but to eliminate this
> organization
> > > (Al-Qa'ida) as soon as possible. SIGNIFICANT EVENTS
> > > REGARDING BIN LADEN'S INTEREST IN NUCLEAR WEAPONS September 25,
> 1998
> > > Bin Laden’s aide Mamdouh Mahmud Salim was arrested in
> Munich, Germany,
> > > and charged with acting on behalf of Bin Laden to obtain nuclear
> materials.
> > > In particular, Salim reportedly attempted to obtain highly enriched
> uranium
> > > in the mid-1990s.(6) August 16, 1998 Israeli
> military
> > > intelligence sources reported that Bin Laden paid over 2 million
> pounds
> > > sterling to a middle-man in Kazakhstan, who promised to deliver
> a
> > > “suitcase” bomb to Bin Laden within two years. In an attempt
> to prevent Bin
> > > Laden from obtaining such weapons from Kazakhstan, Israel sent a
> cabinet
> > > minister to the republic to persuade the Kazakh government to
> prevent such
> > > exchanges from occurring.(7) October 6, 1998 The
> > > Saudi-owned, London-based Arabic newspaper, Al-Hayat, declared that Bin
> > > Laden had obtained nuclear weapons.(8) November 13, 1998
> > > Expanding on information in the October 6, 1998 article in
> Al-Hayat, the
> > > Arabic news magazine Al-Watan Al-Arabi reported that Usama Bin
> Laden was
> > > engaged in a comprehensive plan to acquire nuclear weapons. From
> > > information reportedly provided by sources that included the Russian
> > > intelligence agency, the Federal Security Service (FSB), the
> report
> > > stated that Bin Laden had forged links with organized crime
> members in
> > > the former Soviet republics in Central Asia and the Caucasus.(9)
> > > The Al-Watan Al-Arabi article cited one particular meeting in
> which an
> > > agreement was negotiated by some of Bin Laden’s followers and
> Chechen
> > > organized crime figures in Grozny, Chechnya. It was referred to
> as “the
> > > nuclear warheads deal.” Bin Laden reportedly gave the
> contacts in
> > > Chechnya $30 million in cash and two tons of opium in exchange for
> > > approximately 20 nuclear warheads. Sources stated that Bin Laden
> planned to
> > > have the warheads dismantled by his own team of scientists, who
> would then
> > > transform the weapons into “instant nukes” or
> “suitcase nukes.”(10)
> > > Al-Watan Al-Arabi also reported that Bin Laden had tried a
> different
> > > route to acquisition before turning to Chechnya for nuclear weapons.
> > > According to the article, Bin Laden’s original strategy was to
> develop his
> > > own “in-house” nuclear manufacturing complex, in which
> small, tactical
> > > nuclear weapons would be manufactured from scratch. Beginning in
> 1993, Bin
> > > Laden instructed some of his aides to obtain weapons-grade uranium
> that
> > > could be used to develop small nuclear weapons.(11) December
> 24,
> > > 1998 In an interview with Time Magazine, Bin Laden asserted that
> > > acquiring weapons of any type was a Muslim “religious
> duty.” When asked
> > > whether he was seeking to obtain chemical or nuclear weapons,
> Bin Laden
> > > replied, “Acquiring weapons for the defense of Muslims is a
> religious duty.
> > > If I have indeed acquired these weapons, then I thank God for
> enabling me to
> > > do so.”(12) He responded similarly to the same question in
> an ABC News
> > > interview two days later, stating, “If I seek to acquire such
> weapons, this
> > > is a religious duty. How we use them is up to us.”(13)
> The Al-Watan
> > > al-Arabi source stated that Bin Laden’s team of scientists was
> composed of
> > > “five nuclear scientists from Turkmenistan,” and that the
> leader of the
> > > team “used to work on the atomic reactor of Iraq before it was
> destroyed by
> > > Israel in the 1980’s.” The same source also stated that
> the scientists were
> > > working to develop a nuclear reactor that could be used “to
> transform the
> > > fissionable material into a more active source, one which can
> produce a
> > > fission reaction from a very small amount of material and be
> placed in a
> > > package smaller than a backpack.”(14) In addition, the source
> stated that
> > > Bin Laden had hired “hundreds of atomic scientists”
> from the former
> > > Soviet Union. Reportedly, Bin Laden paid the scientists $2,000
> per
> > > month, an amount much greater than their wages in the former Soviet
> > > republics.(15) General 1997-1998 As a result of the
> revelations
> > > about Bin Laden’s alleged nuclear activities, intelligence
> agencies
> > > worldwide directed their attention to the apparent connection
> between opium
> > > production in Afghanistan and Al-Qa’ida’s interest in
> nuclear weapons.
> > > Opium farmers in Afghanistan produced approximately 3,269 tons
> of opium
> > > in 1997-98. In late 1998, Bin Laden reportedly sent interested
> parties
> > > to Afghanistan to buy large amounts of opium, probably to raise
> funds for
> > > Al- Qa’ida.(16) THE 1993 - 1994 ATTEMPTED URANIUM
> PURCHASE IN
> > > SUDAN During the third day of the trial, February 7, 2001,
> Al-Fadl
> > > testified that he was directly involved in an attempt to
> purchase
> > > uranium for Usama Bin Laden at the end of 1993 or the beginning
> of 1994.
> > > According to his testimony, Al-Fadl was telephoned by a senior
> Al-Qa’ida
> > > official, Abu Fadhl [most probably Fadl or Fazl] al-Makkee, and
> was
> > > instructed to meet with a contact in Khartoum, Sudan, who
> allegedly
> > > possessed uranium. The witness met first with Abu Abd Allah al-
> Yemeni (aka
> > > Abu Dijana) and was given the name of another contact, Moqadem Salah
> Abd
> > > al-Mobruk, a lieutenant colonel in the Sudanese Army who, according
> to the
> > > testimony, had been a former minister during the Numeiri presidency
> > > (1969-83).(5) Al-Fadl was charged with evaluating the
> situation, and
> > > after conferring with other associates, including his cousin, he met
> with
> > > al-Mobruk. Al-Mobruk referred Al-Fadl to a man named Basheer, and
> the two
> > > met at an office on Jambouria Street in Khartoum, Sudan. When
> questioned by
> > > Basheer as to whether Al-Qa’ida was serious about acquiring
> uranium, Al-Fadl
> > > claimed, “I know people, they [are] very serious, and they
> want to buy
> > > it.” He noted that Al-Qa’ida was concerned primarily
> with the quality of
> > > the material and the country of origin, and secondarily with the
> cost.
> > > The arranged price was $1.5 million, plus additional commissions for
> Basheer
> > > and al-Mobruk. At this point, the main issue concerned the
> method of
> > > testing the uranium. After reporting back to al-Makkee, Al-Fadl
> was sent
> > > to speak with a new contact, Abu Rida al-Suri. This meeting took
> place at
> > > the Ikhlak Company in the Baraka building in Khartoum. Al-Suri
> > > instructed Al-Fadl to return to Basheer and report that the
> organization had
> > > an “electric machine” capable of testing uranium.
> Again through an
> > > intermediary, Al-Fadl arranged a meeting with Basheer and, in a
> small
> > > house in the town of Bait al-Mal, north of Khartoum, Al-Fadl and
> al-Suri
> > > were shown a cylinder approximately 2-3 feet tall with a lot of
> words
> > > engraved on it. The men were given a note that Al-Fadl was told to
> deliver
> > > to another contact, Abu Hajer, and then await further instructions.
> Al-
> > > Fadl did not recollect exactly what was written on the paper, only
> that it
> > > was written in English, said “South Africa” on it,
> and contained a
> > > serial number. Hajer sent Al-Fadl back to al-Suri, and the two
> men held
> > > another meeting with Basheer during which they informed him that
> they were
> > > willing to purchase the cylinder. When questioned by Basheer
> regarding the
> > > method of testing the uranium, Al-Fadl remembered that al-Suri had
> claimed
> > > to have a machine from Kenya suitable for such purposes.
> Al-Fadl was
> > > then instructed to arrange a meeting between al-Suri and al-Mobruk,
> > > after which he was informed that his services were no longer needed.
> Al-Fadl
> > > received $10,000 for his time and effort and did not take a further
> role in
> > > the uranium acquisition. However, he did claim that Al-Amin Abd
> > > al-Marouf, a member of the Islamic National Front in Sudan,
> informed him
> > > a few days later that the cylinder of uranium was to be tested
> in the
> > > town of Hilat Koko, Cyprus. Al-Fadl testified that he did not
> know
> > > whether the uranium had in fact been tested and was not privy to
> any
> > > additional information about the transaction.
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