[meteorite-list] I can't believe it! - give me thepublisher's address

From: meteorites_at_space.com <meteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 09:46:24 2004
Message-ID: <20010517143959.29607.cpmta_at_c000.snv.cp.net>

On Thu, 17 May 2001, David Freeman wrote:

> Dear Tett;
> I go with Nick, mail-in opinions seem to offer controvercy enough to make STUPID
> folks tend to want to educate themselves.
> "Cept for Mr. Frass and the Deming delinquent that is...I am suprized that one
> of the kooks doesn't spring up here in Wyoming, they are here, just in
> hiding...yet...
> Best,
> Dave Freeman

Right, it is like some folks in light of the facts further bolster their unsubstantiated beliefs with more crok.

For example the guy in Deming absolutely insists that he has sent to several on this list pieces of a "hundred ton achondrite" and that we as a group are conspiring to keep the "facts" as "he sees them" from the general public so that "we can keep scamming them with high prices" for what he sees as "worthless rocks" (the meteorites that we sell). According to him he has sent his "authentict meteorites" to several of us dealers and we have conspired to proclaim them "meteorwrongs."

I've got over a dozen e-mails from this person in Deming and try though I may to educate him- it bounces off.

It is not a matter for some that they cannot learn, it a matter that they WILL NOT learn.

They hold to their convictions like religion.

Another time I had a long and extended session with a person that insisted that he saw a fireball hit a hundred feet or so away. Try though I may, I could not convince him otherwise, and his "meteorite" to prove it was nothing more than a piece of furnace slag.

Human beings are strange animals-- some strongly held beliefs will not die even though overwhelming evidence is clearly presented.

I for one cringe everytime I see a show on TV or in the movies where "meteors" come flaming all the way to the ground without the requisite blast effects that would certainly follow such an event. And I mean BIG blast effects, not just a ten foot hole in the ground.
Instead what one is apt to see in such shows is a crater with a glowing hot mass in its center-- further perpetuating the myth in the minds of less informed viewers.

And such notions spill off into our schools, and the result is further propagation of misinformation.

All we can do is to refute it, but keep in mind as the guy in Deming, NM and others like him illustrate-- there are some that WILL NOT learn.

And that is just the way it is.

Steve Schoner

> Nick Gessler wrote:
> > Hi Tett,
> >
> > Please post the publisher's name and address, and all the names and
> > addresses associated with this, on the Met-List.
> > Also the test name and number, page reference, etc.
> > Let's have it out with these ignorami.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Nick
> >
> > At 10:48 PM 5/16/01 -0400, tett wrote:
> > >So much for our Canadian education system.
> > >
> > >In Ontario all grade 6 students are now taking five days of standardized
> > >tests with my son, Alex, being one of them. In total there are hundreds of
> > >thousands of kids taking these tests now.
> > >
> > >Today the grade sixes were given a story to read and then asked to answer
> > >questions. This story involved a young boy who witnessed a meteorite
> > >fall. Here the boy sees the meteorite fall into a pool of water. The
> > >water evaporates once the meteorite splashes in it. The boy then splashes
> > >mud on the meteorite which in turn sizzles.
> > >
> > >One of the questions asked was:
> > >
> > >"What have you learned about meteorites"
> > >
> > >Fortunately, Alex was able to answer that he learned nothing as this could
> > >not happen. Alex knew that meteorites are very cold when then touch down
> > >and that the person that wrote this story was ignorant of this fact.
> > >
> > >The sad part is that thousands upon thousands of young kids will now
> > >believe that meteorites land extremely hot, perpetuating the myth that one
> > >should not touch a freshly fallen meteorite so as not to get burned.
> > >
> > >I can't believe it!
> > >
> > >tett
> > >
> > >
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