[meteorite-list] Temporary Names

From: colin wade <ceweed_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 09:44:37 2004
Message-ID: <000001c0a925$4859c260$02000003_at_colinwad>

and guess what the libian authorities rat about removing rocks , fossilised
wood etc ?
If the items were ever classiffied with libian location there would be some
interesting mail

2 dhirams & a few clouds from qatar
col
----- Original Message -----
From: "Meteordealer" <meteor.dealer_at_gte.net>
To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Temporary Names


> I don't see that it matters if someone buys them or finds them. WHO
> CARES??? In my opinion they should all be named JADM XXX (Just Another
> Desert Meteorite), or maybe BAMM XXX (Bought At Moroccan Market) instead
of
> NWA, Dhofar, Sahara, etc., etc. It doesn't hurt science one bit for people
> to buy meteorites from nomads. It actually helps science because dealers
and
> collectors are able to retrieve more pieces of rare types that science can
> use for research. As far as using a GPS to log the location of the find,
> that's a pointless venture on it's own. Afterall, these meteorites have
> already been moved half way across Africa by the constant movement of the
> sand dunes. So, the actual location of where it fell will never be known.
So
> technically, NONE of the desert meteorites have a known location of find.
> Also, who's to say that some of those meteorites were actually found? A
> meteorite hunter could go into the Moroccan market and buy a truckload of
> meteorites for 3 cents per gram from a nomad. He could then spend a week
> driving around the desert planting the meteorites he just bought. Just
jump
> out of the truck, lay the meteorite on the ground, and take a photo of it
> next to a GPS locator, jump back in the truck with the meteorite and drive
> to another spot repeating the process. With that in mind, i would be very
> hesitant to believe anyone when they give the location of find of a
Moroccan
> meteorite. Using the Dhofar's as an example. They are said to come from
> Morocco but current research is pointing to the fact that they actually
come
> from Libya.
>
> Brad Sampson
> meteor.dealer_at_gte.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Farmer" <farmerm_at_concentric.net>
> To: "dean bessey" <deanbessey_at_hotmail.com>
> Cc: <MICH-FRANCO_at_wanadoo.fr>; <wendirob@laplaza.org>;
> <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 1:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Temporary Names
>
>
> > YES< YES <YES!!!! I am glad to see some logic come into play other than
my
> own.
> > I have also asked the same questions. No response...........
> > I have heard the same things, no more meteorites in Morocco, too hunted,
> Algeria
> > is the place now, but even that is drying up. Soon the flood will end.
> > Oh Dean, be sure and carry your latex gloves so that you can recover the
> > meteorites without contaminating them like Mr Franco, that was a great
> idea, too
> > bad I never thought of it, oh well, I never found any out there either,
> and I
> > did search a while.
> > Have fun, Ill see you there in two weeks.
> > Mike Farmer
> >
> > dean bessey wrote:
> >
> > > You know farmer, I have been thinking about one of your other comments
> about
> > > franco - that he buys all of his stuff in morocco and not finding them
> like
> > > he says. Now I am not going to agree or disagree with you since I
havent
> > > seen francos meteorites so I dont know if they look like moroccos or
> > > something different - and also I never herd a nomad or anybody say
that
> > > franco has been buying in morocco. So I wont make an opinion one way
or
> the
> > > other.
> > > However, I do wonder about something. You have been to morocco. I dont
> know
> > > about you but I spent a couple days out into the desert. I tore the
crap
> out
> > > of a tiny fiat to explore the moroccan desert. Next time I go I am
going
> to
> > > get a land rover instead. But you know what? Every #$%_at_* rock in
eastern
> > > morocco is black. You would have a hell of a time finding meteorites
> there.
> > > But of course I wasnt seriously searching (Yes, I admit it. I am
guilty
> in
> > > francos court. I was doing the ungodly thing. Yes, i was buying).
> > > However my opinion is not as important here as what the nomads say. I
> might
> > > just have been taking a wrong approach to searching - after all I dont
> have
> > > my own finds to back up my ideas. What the nomads say is that they
dont
> find
> > > meteorites in morocco anymore. One nomad (With a lot of meteorites)
told
> me
> > > that he hasnt found one in morocco for over a year. They have to go
> further
> > > and further away all of the time to find new meteorites (This is the
nom
> ads
> > > talking - not me).
> > > Erfoud is a tiny town. You go to see the sand dune and a couple little
> > > villages but there is not much else to do as a tourist. There is not
> much to
> > > see and no beer drinking establishments filled with scantally clad
> > > sinoriitas to keep you up late at night. In fact by the third day in
> erfoud
> > > you would be getting pretty bored of the place (If you even managed to
> > > survive the first day). Now myself, I kept myself occupied for over a
> week
> > > but well, I was buying meteorites and trilobites. Eastern morocco is a
> > > pretty good place for buying meteorites and trilobites. Not so great a
> place
> > > to search.
> > > Morocco is also probably the most meteorite hunted out spot in all of
> the
> > > sahara.
> > > Now, as i said earlier, I dont have my own finds so I may not have the
> best
> > > of ideas but if I was going hunting for meteorites where would I
search?
> > > I would find a place with very few black rocks and where there is the
> best
> > > chanch that nobody has searched before me. Virgin desert. The sahara
is
> > > huge. plenty of places to fit that discription.
> > > However Franco (Who has his own finds so he has better success than
me)
> > > decides that the best place in the desert to search for meteorites is
in
> a
> > > volcanic area with tons of dark magnetic rocks strewn around
everywhere
> for
> > > hundreds of miles and what is by far the most searched over area in
all
> of
> > > the sahara.
> > > He has to be searching in that area for meteorites. (He dont buy there
> so
> > > his reasons for going is not the same as mine). He spends a hell of a
> lot of
> > > time in that place to sit around in the desert sun doing nothing. As I
> said,
> > > unless he is buying or searching for meteorites (Or fossils) you get
> bored
> > > of that place pretty quick.
> > > Franco has his own finds and I dont. Maybe I am thinking all wrong.
The
> next
> > > time I go I will find the most over hunted area with the most dark
rocks
> > > possible and search there - just like franco. However, unlike franco,
I
> wont
> > > be spending weeks suntanning around in sahara desert. I will keep
myself
> > > occupied by buying meteorites and fossils.
> > > What do you do with all of the time that you spend in erfoud anyway
> Franco
> > > if you dont buy stuff there?
> > > DEAN
> > > PS:
> > > Yes, I am going to morocco again soon. And yes, I will rent a
landrover
> and
> > > go searching for my own meteorites. However, the main plans for the
trip
> is
> > > a buying trip. I am not going there to seriously search the desert. I
> have
> > > nomads hired to do that for me. I am going to buy and to pick up what
> the
> > > nomads have for me. If I was going on a strictly hunting trip I sure
as
> hell
> > > wouldent go to morocco. There are many much better unsearched places
to
> look
> > > over. The most hunted place in all of the world dont seem like the
best
> > > place to hunt for meteorites.
> > > Franco must be doing something right though. I beleive him when he
says
> that
> > > he has found everything that he has (Of course I sometimes beleive
what
> the
> > > fossil dealers tell me to).
> > >
> > >
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