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From: Michel <Michel_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 09:44:34 2004
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Farmer wrote
<I do not doubt it, but after the Dar al Gani mars rocks, it would seem =
that some dishonesty was occuring there, popping out a new piece every =
few months, as though they did not recognize it from the start as the =
same damn thing.=20
Mike Farmer >

Seems that he should go in some easy places like DaG and prospect =
himself. he will certainly find all his meteorites on the same day. When =
some one see dishonest people everywhere, I feel unconfortable. I m a =
Rouseauist: mankind is good, with few exceptions, very few!

I tried to explain one to Mike Farmer that Dag 476 and Dag 494 were not =
found by the same team. And that all other Dag SNC were found during =
separate expeditions.
I never received any comment about that point.

Mike you should go back yourself to the hunring field, and pick them up =
yourself without any backers for your trips. $10 per gram was great =
deal, I hope you have already sent a large reward to Ahmed Amouri.

My two crusts.

Michel FRANCO

 MeteorHntr_at_aol.com wrote:=20

 =20
 In a message dated 2/28/01 1:44:23 PM Central Standard Time, =
GShanos_at_aol.com=20
 writes:=20
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 =20
 =20
 Dear List Members:=20

 What is the official word? Are all the Dhofar's 025, 026 an 081 =
paired?=20
 Look forward to hearing from everyone.=20

 Sincerely=20
 Greg Shanos

 =20
 =20
 Hello Greg,=20

 I have both he 025 and the 026 for sale and there is nothing =
remotely similar=20
 to them.=20

 With the Dhofar specimens, there is honest reporting of all the =
details of=20
 the find; such as the date of find, exact longitude and latitude of =
the=20
 finds, accurate TKW info and the like. Also, these specimens have =
been found=20
 by professional meteorite hunters and not simply gathered by nomads =
and then=20
 run through a system of handlers before brought to market like most =
of the=20
 NWA specimens. This is not to be meant as a "slam" against the =
NWA's; I have=20
 sold a few NWA's myself and I will sell more in the future, it is =
simply a=20
 statement of fact.=20

 I think Mike Farmer has been the most open about explaining the =
state of=20
 meteorite affairs in Morocco. It is important to know however, the =
Dhofar=20
 situation is far from like that.=20

 While much of a meteorite's value should stand on what type of a =
meteorite it=20
 is, not based on the exact location where it was found; one very =
important=20
 consideration in determining a potential value is the Total Known =
Weight=20
 found. It might be easy to figure out that all (or at least most =
all) of the=20
 EH3 specimen found in the Sahara will (or should be) paired, it is =
next to=20
 impossible to know if your Saharan H5 specimen is one of a a =
thousand stones=20
 from one fall, or if it might be the entire mass of a fall. Or you =
might not=20
 know if next week a new fragment for the same fall of your new =
achondrite=20
 might increase the TKW by 10 fold.=20

 Thoughts to consider.=20

 As to the details of your specific question about pairing, you can =
find a lot=20
 of great information at Washington University's site here:=20

 http://epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/moon_meteorites.html=20

 I hope this helps.=20

 Steve=20

 Steve Arnold

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<DIV>Farmer wrote</DIV>
<DIV><I do not doubt it, but after the Dar al Gani =
mars rocks,=20
it would seem that some dishonesty was occuring there, popping out a new =
piece=20
every few months, as though they did not recognize it from the start as =
the same=20
damn thing. Mike Farmer ></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Seems that he should go in some easy places like DaG =
and=20
prospect himself. he will certainly find all his meteorites on the same =
day.=20
When some one see dishonest people everywhere, I feel unconfortable. I m =
a=20
Rouseauist: mankind is good, with few exceptions, very few!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I tried to explain one to Mike Farmer that Dag 476 =
and Dag 494=20
were not found by the same team. And that all other Dag SNC were found =
during=20
separate expeditions.</DIV>
<DIV>I never received any comment about that =
point.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Mike you should go back yourself to the hunring =
field, and=20
pick them up yourself without any backers for your trips. $10 per gram =
was great=20
deal, I hope you have already sent a large reward to Ahmed =
Amouri.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>My two crusts.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Michel FRANCO</DIV>
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 <A href=3D"mailto:MeteorHntr_at_aol.com">MeteorHntr@aol.com</A> wrote: =

 <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D"CITE"> =20
 In a message dated =
2/28/01=20
 1:44:23 PM Central Standard Time, GShanos_at_aol.com =
 <FONT=20
 face=3Darial,helvetica>writes: =
  =20
    =20
 <BLOCKQUOTE=20
 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"=20
 TYPE=3D"CITE">      =20
 Dear List=20
 Members:=20
 What is the =
official=20
 word?  Are all the Dhofar's 025, 026 an 081 =
paired?=20
 Look forward to =
hearing from=20
 everyone.=20
 Sincerely=20
 Greg=20
 Shanos</BLOCKQUOTE>    =20
 Hello=20
 Greg,=20
 I have =
both he 025 and=20
 the 026 for sale and there is nothing remotely =
similar=20
 to=20
 them.=20
 With the =
Dhofar=20
 specimens, there is honest reporting of all the details=20
 of <FONT=20
 size=3D-1>the find; such as the date of find, exact longitude and =
latitude of=20
 the <FONT=20
 size=3D-1>finds, accurate TKW info and the like.  Also, these =
specimens=20
 have been found <FONT=20
 color=3D#000000>by professional meteorite hunters =
and not simply=20
 gathered by nomads and then <FONT=20
 color=3D#000000>run through a system of handlers =
before brought=20
 to market like most of the <FONT=20
 color=3D#000000>NWA specimens.  This is not to =
be meant as=20
 a "slam" against the NWA's; I have <FONT=20
 face=3DArial>sold a few NWA's =
myself and I=20
 will sell more in the future, it is simply a =
 <FONT=20
 face=3DArial>statement of=20
 fact.=20
 I think =
Mike Farmer=20
 has been the most open about explaining the state =
of=20
 meteorite affairs in=20
 Morocco.  It is important to know however, the=20
 Dhofar <FONT=20
 size=3D-1>situation is far from like that.=20
 While =
much of a=20
 meteorite's value should stand on what type of a meteorite=20
 it <FONT=20
 size=3D-1>is, not based on the exact location where it was found; =
one very=20
 important <FONT=20
 color=3D#000000>consideration in determining a =
potential value=20
 is the Total Known Weight <FONT=20
 color=3D#000000>found.  It might be easy to =
figure out that=20
 all (or at least most all) of the <FONT=20
 face=3DArial>EH3 specimen =
found in the=20
 Sahara will (or should be) paired, it is next =
to=20
 impossible to know if=20
 your Saharan H5 specimen is one of a a thousand =
stones=20
 from =
one fall, or if=20
 it might be the entire mass of a fall.  Or you might=20
 not <FONT=20
 size=3D-1>know if next week a new fragment for the same fall of your =
new=20
 achondrite <FONT=20
 color=3D#000000>might increase the TKW by 10=20
 fold.=20
 Thoughts =
to=20
 consider.=20
 As to =
the details of=20
 your specific question about pairing, you can find a=20
 lot <FONT=20
 size=3D-1>of great information at Washington University's site=20
 here:=20
 <A=20
 =
href=3D"http://epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/moon_meteorites.html">http:=
//epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/moon_meteorites.html</A></=
FONT>=20

 I hope =
this=20
 helps.=20
 <FONT=20
 size=3D-1>Steve=20
 Steve=20
 =
Arnold</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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