[Fwd: [meteorite-list] Editorial]
From: Mike Farmer <farmerm_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 09:43:29 2004
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Editorial
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 01:52:59 +0200
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Mike and list,
I just send an analysis about NWA and you take he piss about it. You should
not fell guilty. You were not at all personnally mentionned in the post and
far from our thoughts. I think thatb I may know the person who have sold you
NWA 482 and possiblly the personn who picked it on the field, but I have no
real proof about it and you should consider this affirmation as bluff..Again
Mike do not feel guilty nor accused. Please stop that silly game, we are
just two individuals that love meteorites and have a nice life because of
them. And NWA rules are weak about stolen meteorites. By metionning
possibly stolen meteorites i must confess that I was speaking of registred
meteorites that may be stolen from institutions or collections and that can
be re introduced in the market with a new name.
I did not say that it was a fact I said that I was a risk.
Our ast expedition was 6 meteorites back home, one iron, an ellipse ( a
brecciated chondrite sorry not a lunar on analysis, sorry I do not disclose
coordinates yet, thanks Deiter!), two achondrites, a two OC'S. four on six.
10 days. Not bought, another way...Stolen , who knows. If the science of
pairing is good and type specimen well choosed I will be discovered soon !
I am just plundering like you do, me with a GPS, as much as I can, you
without it, buying the stuff where you find it. Sahara is wide and the game
will last for long, but may change as quick as it raised, you know that as
well as we do, and Iove it. You protect your market. We work on ours.
Hunters are judged on thier finds ( or falls). I repect a lot your last
lunar acquisition, you had the gusts to buy it, who else... this action
deserve respect, i' d only regreted a while ago that you sliced it into
pieces, you will judged me on my fist lunar, if I find one in the future).
You choosed the way to buy, us another, but at last it is very similar, we
both need science ( and we give away a portion of the material for
promotion) and both keep the remaining part of it. Science get some of the
stuff and we get what we both are commited with sponsors of expeditions: We
are selfsufficient as many french teams for our expeditions; with small
results , but with comsic freedom. . We have recently modified our internal
policy in order to present the best material from our production for science
and museums. We hope, that you will not be disappointed by our future
You may note that this is a personal reflexion that engages only ourselves,
not the whole french hunters community -if any- and we hope that this list
is a mean to express ourselves.
Best wishes to all and sorry again for this unconstructive post, we may
have some goodies in the Toyota's back! and some stories for sure, read the
best paper about meteorites, you will know.
Good Huntin' folks.
100 Chemin des Campènes
74400 CHAMONIX - FRANCE
Rob, :any sedimentary one, we 're still waiting.
----- Message d'origine -----
De : Mike Farmer <farmerm_at_concentric.net>
À : Michel Franco <MICH-FRANCO_at_wanadoo.fr>
Cc : METEORITELIST <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>; Robert Verish
Envoyé : vendredi 6 juillet 2001 20:38
Objet : Re: [meteorite-list] Editorial
> STOLEN? Stolen from whom? I pay for mine. Mr Franco, let's get down and
> Every time you post here people ask you questions, you NEVER respond, you
> make statements like this one.
> Since you passed on every chance to explaine yourself, and tell your point
> view on why you feel buying is stealing and supposedly finding and taking
> without paying anyone is the correct way, I tell you to SHUT UP!
> You have had many chances to say what you wanted, you refused all of them,
> do not want to hear your rash statements without supporting information.
> Good Bye Good Riddance
> You are now insulting the highly respected scientists and hard working
> who make meteorites fun and interesting.
> Mike Farmer
> Michel Franco wrote:
> > NWA is a way to rename stolen meteorites (if any) and it is one of its
> > weaknesses. All other aspects seems to fulfil the a large majority in
> > meteorite community.
> > best regards
> > Michel FRANCO
> > Caillou Noir
> > 100 Chemin des Campènes
> > 74400 CHAMONIX - FRANCE
> > http://www.themeteorites.com
> > ----- Message d'origine -----
> > De : Robert Verish <bolidechaser_at_yahoo.com>
> > À : <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Envoyé : jeudi 5 juillet 2001 20:29
> > Objet : [meteorite-list] Editorial
> > > ... but seriously folks...
> > >
> > > It looks like the marketing of meteorites from NWA has
> > > received another black eye, this time in print, on the
> > > "Editorial" page of the most recent issue of "MAPS" -
> > > Meteoritics & Planetary Science (Volume 36), Issue 6,
> > > 2001 June.
> > > The editorial is by W. A. Cassidy: "Meteorites on the
> > > Greenland icesheet?" - you'll have to look it up,
> > > because I don't have permission to reprint it.
> > >
> > > But the gist of the statement, which was in the last
> > > paragraph, was that, if the supply of meteorites for
> > > sale [in the bazaars of North Africa] becomes too
> > > slim, [the Moroccan] dealers order specimens of other
> > > meteorites from elsewhere i n t h e w o r l d and
> > > resell them at generous markups as "North African"
> > > meteorites.
> > >
> > > Now here are my questions:
> > >
> > > Correct me on this, but aren't NWAs the cheapest
> > > selling meteorites "in the world"?
> > >
> > > If not, where "in the world" are the Moroccans going
> > > in order to get these cheaper meteorites?
> > >
> > > Is it possible that the Moroccan importers are better
> > > at their job than their counterparts in North America
> > > and Europe?
> > >
> > > Okay, I guess comments like the one in the editorial
> > > about NWA meteorite markets are to be expected, since
> > > the purpose of the article was to extoll the value of
> > > Antarctic meteorites to science over those from hot
> > > deserts.
> > >
> > > The editorial ended with this sentence, "Hopefully,
> > > whoever may visit the suggested sites in Greenland
> > > will arrive prepared to collect and document any
> > > recoveries in the same way it is done in Antarctica,
> > > and thereby insure that any Greenland collection will
> > > have the same value to science as does the Antarctic
> > > collection."
> > >
> > >
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