[meteorite-list] UNCUT NWAs (was, "Unclassified NWAs")
From: Rhett Bourland <rbourlan_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 09:42:05 2004 Message-ID: <IOEBKAHMGFBDJMOFGDFNOEDJCEAA.rbourlan_at_evansville.net> I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one Michael. I do computer work for a living and by default one of the areas that I must know about is network security. There are some companies that just can't stand it when security flaws are reported with their products. The majority of software companies will actually report their own flaws as well as fixes for them. The reason being sooner or later someone will figure out the bug on their own and use their knowledge to exploit their product for unethical uses. There are many people out there that know how to hack systems that don't. They use that knowledge to protect their networks from other people that know how to. My point with all of this is that by using full disclosure to fully know the problem is the only way to know how to prevent it and deal with it should it occur. An open forum to report and discuss such problems such as this list is needed so that the honest people out there can stay one step ahead of the unscrupulous individuals out there. Best wishes, Rhett Bourland www.evansville.net/~rbourlan -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of Michael Blood Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 3:17 PM To: David Freeman Cc: Robert Verish; meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] UNCUT NWAs (was, "Unclassified NWAs") Hi David, Rob and all, Here is my "what if" scinario: What if we all get so paranoid, we talk of multiple ways to commit meteorite fraud and, given that this newsletter ultimately ends up in the "archives" available to the world, even if even not one single dishonest list member exists, we have now TOLD THE ENTIRE WORLD HOW TO SCREW US OVER. "What if" THAT! Yes, I see THIS as a MUCH greater threat than anything to date in the "real world" of meteoritics. I do NOT see dealers defrauding customers, misslabeling one fall for another, etc. etc. The ONE person who was convicted of meteorite theft and WAS accused of mislabeling etc. is TOTALLY shunned by the meteorite community, and has been for years. So, I SEE THE BIGGEST THREAT IN ALL OF THIS IS GOING INTO DETAIL ABOUT how IT CAN ME DONE. That is like me putting on the internet that one Feb. 15th I will have $10,000 cash in my pockets and will be walking down Market St. (one of the more dangerous areas in SD) between 16th and 10th at 2 AM and I am AFRAID someone might rob me! - after all, I will be unarmed and unescorted..... Haven't ANY of you heard of the concept of the "self fulfilling prophesy?" So - unless/until there IS a REAL problem, all this talk AT BEST plants ideas in the minds of ANYONE who might possibly consider such horrendous behavior.......get the picture yet?! As Charlie said, "if you build it, they will come." Sincerely, Michael ---- David Freeman wrote: > > Dear Robert, Michael and List; > Pardon my "what if" scenario. What if... to demonstrate Robert's > point...I buy 50 kilos of NWA rocks in assorted piece sizes and > beauty (ugly) ranges and plant them in an isolated sand dune area in > SW Wyoming for say two years....then, I proclaim a new find. I even > strategically place the new strewnfield and pick up as I laid out, > with a GPS and fully document it, I could even have someone else > discover it for me to create even a better hoax. In two years of new > sand blasting, (with Wyoming's wind and temperature changes), I would > be impressed to see how the fraud would result and if it could indeed > be exposed.. I think that this is what Robert is questioning in his > "do something" suggestion. > http://www.wyomingjade.com/meteor3.htm is a strategically placed > meteorwrong, worm coprolite with magnesium "fusion" crust, to > illustrate my point. WOW, Put me on ebay!!!!! > I would never commit meteorite fraud, but, I am sure others would > think of this story and very well would use the NWA's as a cheap > source of investment for profit meteorites. I agree with Robert, SOME > method of tracking original source is needed. > The historical 1872 diamond hoax site is 60 miles south of here and > African diamonds are still occasionally found there along with other > planted gemstones. > Blued, glued, or tattooed, > Dave Freeman > http://www.wyomingjade.com > > Michael Blood wrote: > > Bob Varish wrote:..... > YES, I've seen the little stone fragments that aren't > "cut" circulating around already, but all I can say to > the importers is this - find yourself an engravers > stamp and start carving your "brand" on these little > trouble makers. If you can't find the time to do > that, then send them all to me and I'll do it for ya'. > Short of spraying the whole mess of them with a clear > "tracer" solution, I don't have any other good > suggestions. I'd like to hear some other suggestions. > We don't necessarily need GOOD suggestions. We just > need to do something. ANYTHING! > Bob V. > ------------ > Hi Bob & all, > Am I missing something here? Have there been a bunch > of > people committing meteorite fraud that I haven't known > about? > The only fraud (since the So. American Museum theft) that I > know of is an occasional jive turkey on ebay that found a > stupid > rock and thinks it is a meteorite. Are there people > committing > meteorite fraud OTHER than the occasional nit wits that show > > up on eBay? > If so - please fill me in - If not, all this talk > about meteorite > fraud strikes me as very paranoid. > Sincerely, Michael > > -- > Problems cannot be solved at the same level of awareness > that > created them. > - Albert Einstein > -- > 1) "Hunger Site" Donates 3/4 cup of rice EACH DAY you visit > & click > http://www.thehungersite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/HungerSite > -- > 2) "Rainforest Site" Donates 14.4sqare feet EACH DAY you > visit & click > http://www.therainforestsite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/RainforestSite > > -- > Michael Blood Meteorites for sale at: > http://www.meteorite.com/Michael_Blood/catalog.htm > > _______________________________________________ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Problems cannot be solved at the same level of awareness that created them. - Albert Einstein -- 1) "Hunger Site" Donates 3/4 cup of rice EACH DAY you visit & click http://www.thehungersite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/HungerSite -- 2) "Rainforest Site" Donates 14.4sqare feet EACH DAY you visit & click http://www.therainforestsite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/RainforestSite -- Michael Blood Meteorites for sale at: http://www.meteorite.com/Michael_Blood/catalog.htm _______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listReceived on Wed 24 Jan 2001 11:37:12 PM PST |
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